Kearse a Cowgirl???

diehardskin2982 · 03-01-2004, 12:40 PM

I have seen on many post a rumor that the cowboys also have an interest in Kearse, and are also going to persue him hard. what do you guys think will we get kearse.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2004, 07:57 PM

Danny will make sure the Boys don't get Kearse.

Daseal · 03-01-2004, 08:01 PM

Is Kearse an FA? I thought he was a cap casulty, which means he would be either cut or dealt before the deadline?

If he's cut, I think we have a huge advantage, if dealt then the boys may be able to outbid us. We're out of draft picks to offer!

If I'm wrong here, please, let me know.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2004, 08:04 PM

Kearse's deal expired this year and the Titans decided not to franchise him. He'll seek a deal worth 55+ million with a 18-20 million SB. Jesus the cap is gonna hurt us in 3 years.

Scott · 03-01-2004, 08:11 PM

I sure hope the FO knows something we don't about the salary cap, because we are signing some huge contracts that are bound to catch up to us..

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2004, 08:27 PM

Portis' agent is Drew Rosenhaus. Jevon Kearse's agent is none other than Drew Rosenhaus. Maybe there's a little quid pro quo going on here and Rosenhaus will have Kearse given to us for 25 bucks.

azskinsfan2 · 03-01-2004, 11:44 PM

I'd sure hope so. Who knows what kind of deals these agents make when one team is after several of his players????

sportscurmudgeon · 03-02-2004, 12:12 AM

It is an "ethical violation" for an agent to use one player's contract as a bargaining chip for another player's contract with a team. Having said that, it happens more than once in a while.

Obviously the Skins and the Rosenhauses can work well together; that could be a big help in trying to get Kearse. But Rosenhaus was asking for a signing bonus in the $20M range and a total contract value of about $60-65M from the Titans. OK, MAYBE their release of Kearse has made him realize those numbers were high, but he is not going to have Kearse sign a deal at the numbers that were paid out to Brunell ($8.5M signing bonus and $23M).

Here is the danger in a Kearse signing. Yes, he is a dominant pass rushing DE and he may be a mainstay on a DL for the next 6-8 years. He might also have one more injury left in his leg that he can recover from and still be a dominant DE. If he signs a deal for $20M up front and then is really slowed by his next injury, the team will still have to keep him around for a while until they have amortized a big chunk of that $20M to avoid a huge amount of dead money.

Here's an example. Signing bonus is $20 and the deal is 10 years long. That means in each year, his cap number is $2M ($20M/10yrs) plus his salary for that year. After two seasons the team would have written off $4M of the signing bonus and if they trade him or release him the rest of the bonus ($16M) gets shoved into their salary cap for a year. The cap this year is $80M for the team and so $16M is 20% of the cap for the whole team.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-02-2004, 12:24 AM

Good post Sportscurm.....you know I was joking though about the quid pro quo. I do think it will help though that we just gave Portis a nice fat contract.

Ghost · 03-02-2004, 02:09 AM

If I'm Kearse and I even suspect that Rosenhaus is playing games with my money, I'm on the phone ASAP giving him his pink slip. I don't think the Portis deal will have any effect on the Kearse negotiations whatsoever.

That said, I sincerely hope the Skins pass on Kearse, who is overrated and WAY too expensive. Seems like every player in the NFL thinks he's worth $20 million these days ... even if he's practically missing half-seasons due to injury. That's like me calling in sick every few days and demanding a big raise at the end of the year. We should pick up the other DT from Tennessee plus Grant Wistrom for the same price. Kearse is a huge risk.

BrunellFan · 03-02-2004, 03:59 AM

What Danny Snyder wants... Danny Snyder gets...

at least in free agency...

and right now, im betting Danny wants to get his FREAK ON!

Skins fan 44 · 03-02-2004, 09:46 AM

I agree Grant Winstrom would work better than Kearse. Kearse is always hurt.

Mexskins · 03-02-2004, 10:04 AM

They can have The Freak. We need younger and healthier DE.

Winstrom is an excellent idea.

03-01-2004, 12:40 PM	#1
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Kearse a Cowgirl??? I have seen on many post a rumor that the cowboys also have an interest in Kearse, and are also going to persue him hard. what do you guys think will we get kearse.

03-01-2004, 08:04 PM	#4
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Kearse's deal expired this year and the Titans decided not to franchise him. He'll seek a deal worth 55+ million with a 18-20 million SB. Jesus the cap is gonna hurt us in 3 years. Last edited by Sheriff Gonna Getcha; 03-01-2004 at 08:12 PM.

03-01-2004, 11:44 PM	#7
azskinsfan2 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, Arizona Age: 67 Posts: 232	I'd sure hope so. Who knows what kind of deals these agents make when one team is after several of his players???? __________________ Long live Sonny J!!! Rock on Redskins!!!!!!

03-02-2004, 12:12 AM	#8
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	It is an "ethical violation" for an agent to use one player's contract as a bargaining chip for another player's contract with a team. Having said that, it happens more than once in a while. Obviously the Skins and the Rosenhauses can work well together; that could be a big help in trying to get Kearse. But Rosenhaus was asking for a signing bonus in the $20M range and a total contract value of about $60-65M from the Titans. OK, MAYBE their release of Kearse has made him realize those numbers were high, but he is not going to have Kearse sign a deal at the numbers that were paid out to Brunell ($8.5M signing bonus and $23M). Here is the danger in a Kearse signing. Yes, he is a dominant pass rushing DE and he may be a mainstay on a DL for the next 6-8 years. He might also have one more injury left in his leg that he can recover from and still be a dominant DE. If he signs a deal for $20M up front and then is really slowed by his next injury, the team will still have to keep him around for a while until they have amortized a big chunk of that $20M to avoid a huge amount of dead money. Here's an example. Signing bonus is $20 and the deal is 10 years long. That means in each year, his cap number is $2M ($20M/10yrs) plus his salary for that year. After two seasons the team would have written off $4M of the signing bonus and if they trade him or release him the rest of the bonus ($16M) gets shoved into their salary cap for a year. The cap this year is $80M for the team and so $16M is 20% of the cap for the whole team. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-01-2004, 07:57 PM	#2
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Danny will make sure the Boys don't get Kearse.

03-01-2004, 08:01 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Is Kearse an FA? I thought he was a cap casulty, which means he would be either cut or dealt before the deadline? If he's cut, I think we have a huge advantage, if dealt then the boys may be able to outbid us. We're out of draft picks to offer! If I'm wrong here, please, let me know.

03-01-2004, 08:11 PM	#5
Scott Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 177	I sure hope the FO knows something we don't about the salary cap, because we are signing some huge contracts that are bound to catch up to us..

03-01-2004, 08:27 PM	#6
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Portis' agent is Drew Rosenhaus. Jevon Kearse's agent is none other than Drew Rosenhaus. Maybe there's a little quid pro quo going on here and Rosenhaus will have Kearse given to us for 25 bucks.

03-02-2004, 12:24 AM	#9
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Good post Sportscurm.....you know I was joking though about the quid pro quo. I do think it will help though that we just gave Portis a nice fat contract.

03-02-2004, 02:09 AM	#10
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	If I'm Kearse and I even suspect that Rosenhaus is playing games with my money, I'm on the phone ASAP giving him his pink slip. I don't think the Portis deal will have any effect on the Kearse negotiations whatsoever. That said, I sincerely hope the Skins pass on Kearse, who is overrated and WAY too expensive. Seems like every player in the NFL thinks he's worth $20 million these days ... even if he's practically missing half-seasons due to injury. That's like me calling in sick every few days and demanding a big raise at the end of the year. We should pick up the other DT from Tennessee plus Grant Wistrom for the same price. Kearse is a huge risk.

03-02-2004, 03:59 AM	#11
BrunellFan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 334	What Danny Snyder wants... Danny Snyder gets... at least in free agency... and right now, im betting Danny wants to get his FREAK ON!

03-02-2004, 09:46 AM	#12
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	I agree Grant Winstrom would work better than Kearse. Kearse is always hurt.

03-02-2004, 10:04 AM	#13
Mexskins Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 11	They can have The Freak. We need younger and healthier DE. Winstrom is an excellent idea.

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