Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL?

Hail to the Redskins · 12-23-2009, 04:32 PM

I always read on this site about next year's QB and line needing to be worked out... which I agree with... Our offensive line is a MAJOR need...

but...

Isn't cornerback going to be just as big a need to address as OL in the offseason??

If Rogers goes, which he very likely will, we will have D Hall and who else?? Tryon?? Smoot?? Westbrook?? Those 3 aren't good enough to be trusted to play nickel, much less 2nd starter.

We need TWO corners who are step ups from those 3 for sure.

I'm thinking the team COULD surprise everyone and go with a guy like CB Joe Hayden out of Florida with the first pick in the draft and draft linemen with the rest. (I mean no one knows).

I'd rather get a corner through FA and draft line, line, line... but the point is we HAVE TO HAVE a starting CB in 2010 opposite D. Hall....

and I'm sure Bruce Allen knows this after he took copious notes on our pass defense (or lack-thereof) against the G-Men.

EDIT: I left out Kevin Barnes ... but considering he hasn't seen the field this year over Smoot or Tryon... ummm ... I have no clue what he can contribute

SmootSmack · 12-23-2009, 04:36 PM

Rogers will probably be in the same boat as Campbell. Restricted Free Agent. So even if he does leave, hopefully we'll tender him and get some compensation.

But anyway, you forgot Kevin Barnes, who (hard as is it to believe right now) can be a starting DB for us.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-23-2009, 04:36 PM

No... With our defensive line (and a new, more aggressive defensive coordinator), we'll be fine with Hall, Barnes, and Tryon as our #1, #2, and nickle corners.

We'll be a disaster without atleast 2 new offensive line starters.

jamf · 12-23-2009, 04:36 PM

Depends on who is coaching the Defense and what type of scheme we use.

If we are going to continue with this weak ass cover two that teams are exploiting then we just need any corner really...

If we want to play an aggressive bump and run with single coverage then we will need to bring in some talent.

mlmdub130 · 12-23-2009, 04:39 PM

honestly i think tryon will most likely be starting opposite d hall, he has made improvments much to my surprise. and i think he along with others just need a real coach inplace and we could see vast improvement.

and let's hope barnes works out as well we did draft him in the thrid round so i really hope he pans out, he seems like another guy with the ability he just needs coaching and discipline

and with our pass rush and hopefully having orakpo on the line full time next year hopefully our db's won't have to be top notch, this rebuilding is gonna take a while and i think cb's won't be on the first list of thing to do, atleast i hope not

GTripp0012 · 12-23-2009, 04:41 PM

Kevin Barnes/Edwin Williams...relatively similar prospectus. The only difference is that you need two CBs, and five OLman. The only reason the OL is more dire is because there's a glaring lack of functional pieces. You look at our secondary, and you would say that they're not very good, but Hall will be playing somewhere in it next year, Landry as well, and there's some pieces in free agency we could grab to solidify it.

Corner is a pretty big need, but I think we're much more likely to sit on what they have than at OL, where we don't have anything.

Deisel · 12-23-2009, 04:42 PM

No, championships are won moreso with O and D lines and QB's. Can't build a franchise around a CB IMO.

Denver isn't winning any superbowls just because they have Champ Bailey.

I believe NE went to a superbowl with a receiver filling in at CB (Troy Brown??)

Hail to the Redskins · 12-23-2009, 04:44 PM

Anyone else see Tryon get torched the other night? And realize Barnes hasn't been trusted in practice to play over Tryon or Smoot?

I mean Barnes is a complete unknown at this point, and Tryon is a very undersized, no CHANCE on big receivers (remember castoff Kelly Washington OWNING him in preseason simply due to size?) and to top it off, isn't disciplned (completely forgetting outside contain on the TD the other night when his help was to the inside).

I guess I'm saying that CB is as important or at least 1.5 on our top 5 list of needs for 2010...

Like I said, I am hoping draft is line, line, line, but we HAVE to address CB somewhere because if Tryon or Barnes is our #2... oh boy...

Longtimefan · 12-23-2009, 04:45 PM

I will agree the CB position does need to be addressed. We can't do everything that needs to be done in one offseason. We have to ask ourselves which positions' of need are the most important. I'm of the opinion the OL is the most important group on the team therefore I'm partial. We're not going to draft all linemen and CB is a need, so I look for them to go there either in the draft or free agency.

SmootSmack · 12-23-2009, 04:45 PM

Dub, I think Tryon definitely has made improvements but he seems to do best in that nickle role. I don't know that he'd be starting on purpose

firstdown · 12-23-2009, 04:45 PM

Our bigest problem this year has been the big plays which I think we could fit in house.

GTripp0012 · 12-23-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

honestly i think tryon will most likely be starting opposite d hall, he has made improvments much to my surprise. and i think he along with others just need a real coach inplace and we could see vast improvement.

and let's hope barnes works out as well we did draft him in the thrid round so i really hope he pans out, he seems like another guy with the ability he just needs coaching and discipline

and with our pass rush and hopefully having orakpo on the line full time next year hopefully our db's won't have to be top notch, this rebuilding is gonna take a while and i think cb's won't be on the first list of thing to do, atleast i hope not

This has a really decent chance of happening, and frankly, it's depressing. There wouldn't be a worse tandem in the league than D-Hall and Tryon.

Fortunately, I think Barnes will work out. I'd like to see Barnes and Rogers be given a chance to play across from each other with Hall as a swingman between safety and corner, and Tryon playing the dime. It would allow us to go back to the aggressive man scheme that Hall (and Tryon) can't play, and it would make our defense fun to watch again.

We might move Rogers as opposed to signing him, which would be totally justified at the moment, but the hole opposite of Barnes would be inevitable. Then again, if we commit all of our resources to building on the offensive line, and we can shove the ball down the opponents throat, I don't care if we go 9-7 while losing 36-33 barnburners for a year. At least it would be entertaining.

MTK · 12-23-2009, 04:47 PM

I honestly can't put any other position above or on par with the OL as far as needs go.

GTripp0012 · 12-23-2009, 04:48 PM

Can we all agree that Smoot is gone, or a non-factor? I think he's still trying to find where Hakeem Nicks went on that 20 yard dig route.

SmootSmack · 12-23-2009, 04:48 PM

I'd put RB before DB. Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason, and Ganther could conceivably all be gone

12-23-2009, 04:36 PM	#3
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? No... With our defensive line (and a new, more aggressive defensive coordinator), we'll be fine with Hall, Barnes, and Tryon as our #1, #2, and nickle corners. We'll be a disaster without atleast 2 new offensive line starters. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

12-23-2009, 04:36 PM	#4
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,249	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? Depends on who is coaching the Defense and what type of scheme we use. If we are going to continue with this weak ass cover two that teams are exploiting then we just need any corner really... If we want to play an aggressive bump and run with single coverage then we will need to bring in some talent.

12-23-2009, 04:39 PM	#5
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,238	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? honestly i think tryon will most likely be starting opposite d hall, he has made improvments much to my surprise. and i think he along with others just need a real coach inplace and we could see vast improvement. and let's hope barnes works out as well we did draft him in the thrid round so i really hope he pans out, he seems like another guy with the ability he just needs coaching and discipline and with our pass rush and hopefully having orakpo on the line full time next year hopefully our db's won't have to be top notch, this rebuilding is gonna take a while and i think cb's won't be on the first list of thing to do, atleast i hope not __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

12-23-2009, 04:41 PM	#6
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? Kevin Barnes/Edwin Williams...relatively similar prospectus. The only difference is that you need two CBs, and five OLman. The only reason the OL is more dire is because there's a glaring lack of functional pieces. You look at our secondary, and you would say that they're not very good, but Hall will be playing somewhere in it next year, Landry as well, and there's some pieces in free agency we could grab to solidify it. Corner is a pretty big need, but I think we're much more likely to sit on what they have than at OL, where we don't have anything. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

12-23-2009, 04:42 PM	#7
Deisel Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 6	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? No, championships are won moreso with O and D lines and QB's. Can't build a franchise around a CB IMO. Denver isn't winning any superbowls just because they have Champ Bailey. I believe NE went to a superbowl with a receiver filling in at CB (Troy Brown??)

12-23-2009, 04:32 PM	#1
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? I always read on this site about next year's QB and line needing to be worked out... which I agree with... Our offensive line is a MAJOR need... but... Isn't cornerback going to be just as big a need to address as OL in the offseason?? If Rogers goes, which he very likely will, we will have D Hall and who else?? Tryon?? Smoot?? Westbrook?? Those 3 aren't good enough to be trusted to play nickel, much less 2nd starter. We need TWO corners who are step ups from those 3 for sure. I'm thinking the team COULD surprise everyone and go with a guy like CB Joe Hayden out of Florida with the first pick in the draft and draft linemen with the rest. (I mean no one knows). I'd rather get a corner through FA and draft line, line, line... but the point is we HAVE TO HAVE a starting CB in 2010 opposite D. Hall.... and I'm sure Bruce Allen knows this after he took copious notes on our pass defense (or lack-thereof) against the G-Men. EDIT: I left out Kevin Barnes ... but considering he hasn't seen the field this year over Smoot or Tryon... ummm ... I have no clue what he can contribute __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

12-23-2009, 04:36 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? Rogers will probably be in the same boat as Campbell. Restricted Free Agent. So even if he does leave, hopefully we'll tender him and get some compensation. But anyway, you forgot Kevin Barnes, who (hard as is it to believe right now) can be a starting DB for us. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-23-2009, 04:44 PM	#8
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? Anyone else see Tryon get torched the other night? And realize Barnes hasn't been trusted in practice to play over Tryon or Smoot? I mean Barnes is a complete unknown at this point, and Tryon is a very undersized, no CHANCE on big receivers (remember castoff Kelly Washington OWNING him in preseason simply due to size?) and to top it off, isn't disciplned (completely forgetting outside contain on the TD the other night when his help was to the inside). I guess I'm saying that CB is as important or at least 1.5 on our top 5 list of needs for 2010... Like I said, I am hoping draft is line, line, line, but we HAVE to address CB somewhere because if Tryon or Barnes is our #2... oh boy... __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

12-23-2009, 04:45 PM	#9
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? I will agree the CB position does need to be addressed. We can't do everything that needs to be done in one offseason. We have to ask ourselves which positions' of need are the most important. I'm of the opinion the OL is the most important group on the team therefore I'm partial. We're not going to draft all linemen and CB is a need, so I look for them to go there either in the draft or free agency.

12-23-2009, 04:45 PM	#11
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? Our bigest problem this year has been the big plays which I think we could fit in house.

12-23-2009, 04:47 PM	#13
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12-23-2009, 04:48 PM	#14
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL? Can we all agree that Smoot is gone, or a non-factor? I think he's still trying to find where Hakeem Nicks went on that 20 yard dig route. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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