WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[skinsfaninok]

If you sign Fitz you have to be ready for him to lose you some games. It’s Just in his nature, he has some great games and some really bad ones.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If you sign Fitz you have to be ready for him to lose you some games. It’s Just in his nature, he has some great games and some really bad ones.

Guys like Darnold and Mariota will have you in the same boat pretty much.

Like I said Fitzpatrick would be my QB of last resort. If we can't draft anyone or find anything better in free agency RF isn't a bad option and at the very least gives you a good option to compete with Allen and Heinicke and be the veteran mentor.

[NYCskinfan82]

I watch and listen to Louie tee and have to agree with him RF is basically AS your not moving the needle. I'd rather bring in another young QB and have them all battle it out. TH, KA and another young QB.

[mooby]

Like we didn't know it already but definitely no way Alex is coming back now, unless his market isn't what he thinks it is and nobody wants to offer him anything.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Like we didn't know it already but definitely no way Alex is coming back now, unless his market isn't what he thinks it is and nobody wants to offer him anything.

Like you said - I think we know it already.

I don't know what the heck he was expecting though. I mean it's not like anyone on this planet really thought he would come back from that terrible injury. That small group of people that apparently thought he could come back and play - well they probably live under the same roof as him.

He expected the new regime to just sit their 1st round pick, and the dude they traded a 5th round pick for, and welcome him with open arms to give him the opportunity to find out if he could even play football still, but it sounds like he didn't even know if he could do it. Well no shit... C'mon, who is he kidding?

It's truly an amazing story, but I think that has to be the last chapter, right? At least in Washington... They don't owe him anything, and if the organization is serious about getting better, he can't be coming back.

Maybe he should call up Urban Meyer and see if he needs a mentor for their new rookie.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I guess that Alex Smith front office idea has hit a snag.

[skinsfaninok]

Yeah I don’t see smith coming back after those words... He actually sounded bitter

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Like you said - I think we know it already.

I don't know what the heck he was expecting though. I mean it's not like anyone on this planet really thought he would come back from that terrible injury. That small group of people that apparently thought he could come back and play - well they probably live under the same roof as him.

He expected the new regime to just sit their 1st round pick, and the dude they traded a 5th round pick for, and welcome him with open arms to give him the opportunity to find out if he could even play football still, but it sounds like he didn't even know if he could do it. Well no shit... C'mon, who is he kidding?

It's truly an amazing story, but I think that has to be the last chapter, right? At least in Washington... They don't owe him anything, and if the organization is serious about getting better, he can't be coming back.

Maybe he should call up Urban Meyer and see if he needs a mentor for their new rookie.

This. Part of being the first man to ever come back from a previous career-ending injury most likely means the amount of people who believe you can come back from it is a small circle at best. Like if he had failed, nobody would've been shocked just because of the severity.

I'm sure he used it as motivation and I'm happy he proved us all wrong, but it still doesn't change our need to get younger and better. Nobody still knows if his leg can still hold up under an entire season.

I hope after he retires he doesn't hold any ill will against us for our position, I think maybe he just got caught up in the moment.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by MTK

Guys like Darnold and Mariota will have you in the same boat pretty much.

Like I said Fitzpatrick would be my QB of last resort. If we can't draft anyone or find anything better in free agency RF isn't a bad option and at the very least gives you a good option to compete with Allen and Heinicke and be the veteran mentor.

I would rather see what Heinecke has for one year than waste time on busts and retreads. Especially because you end up surrendering picks for Darnold and Mariota, almost certainly multiple picks for either. If we redrafted today, based on NFL production, Darnold and Mariota certainly aren't 1st round picks, and maybe not even 2nd. There are QBs just as good available in 2nd and 3rd rounds, that are young, and on cheap rookie deals. The sound approach is drafting our QB.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I watch and listen to Louie tee and have to agree with him RF is basically AS your not moving the needle. I'd rather bring in another young QB and have them all battle it out. TH, KA and another young QB.

What did Smith ever win, even when healthy, on STACKED teams. Dumb trade, dumb contract, he's made like $50M+ for above average production and nothing more. I think Allen worst of bunch. Knows system, but NO upside. The best approach would be to draft 2 QBs with Heinecke, and maybe a late 6th or 7th rounder on PS. You could seriously make the case for 3 QBs drafted--if we had a real GM and not a coach GM--and take the long view. We're not worried about stopgaps, we're worried about finding a LONG-TERM franchise QB. 3 rookies and Hein, let them compete. Or 2 rookies and a UDFA practice squad.

Our entire approach--and that of most posters--is so shortsighted. We must find a franchise QB in the draft, even if takes several lottery tickets over several years.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by mooby

This. Part of being the first man to ever come back from a previous career-ending injury most likely means the amount of people who believe you can come back from it is a small circle at best. Like if he had failed, nobody would've been shocked just because of the severity.

I'm sure he used it as motivation and I'm happy he proved us all wrong, but it still doesn't change our need to get younger and better. Nobody still knows if his leg can still hold up under an entire season.

I hope after he retires he doesn't hold any ill will against us for our position, I think maybe he just got caught up in the moment.

I don't read acrimony, I think he was just telling the truth. The primary concern of the FO--long term durability--about his return, proved sound, as he was not durable and a shell of his former self, which was hardly some superstar. Love Smith character, but he isn't an elite player before injury. Another horrible THE DAN move time to move on from. Truth though is Smith held the power because of HORRIBLE contract THE DAN gave him. Guy's getting paid like a superstar and he isn't.

He is being selfish wanting to still play. He is not durable or dependable because of durability, and simply won't got the distance for a full season. But he can afford to talk the smack because he holds Washington FT hostage with HORRIBLE contract. Guy still has $5.4M signing bonus against cap next two years, $10.8M to cut him this year, money he's been paid. He is due 18.75M ad 20.75M this year next, salary in addition to bonus, and counts 24.4M and 26.4M against cap next two years. What he is really talking about in these statements he made is not last year, but the next two years. Of course Washington doesn't want to pay a guy who is above average at best, even if never injured, 70% of what Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, etc. make. Even with no injury Smith isn't worth even half of what he's making. You could have Tyrod Taylor or one of 6 other mediocre QBs for $6-$10M a year and have a better QB than Smith. As the season draws close, it becomes musical chairs, and guys face the reality of how little they make NOT playing at all. Early in FA, they are comparing their "small" $6M offer to Rodgers, Wilson, etc. Late in FA, they are comparing $4M to $100K as an announcer or some other real-world job.

It will only take one bad slide or hit, no matter how healthy Smith looks, for him to become functionally useless like he was late in year. But what does he care? You think he isn't going to call Washington's bluff and try and cash out for another $50.8M over next two years and hobble off into the sunset? You cut Smith, he isn't worth $5M on the open market. They have to cut him, unless he agrees to 75% or more pay cut, but why should he? Smarter for him to get cut and be a backup on a contender and walk away with a ring. HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE contract, even if he never gets hurt. Be two more years before we're fully free of all THE DAN'S horrible meddling. And yet another example of why you draft a QB, make sure he's flourishing in your building before paying King's Ransom contracts. The huge cost of QBs, especially guaranteed money, is yet another argument for draft and develop.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Scalper

What did Smith ever win, even when healthy, on STACKED teams. Dumb trade, dumb contract, he's made like $50M+ for above average production and nothing more. I think Allen worst of bunch. Knows system, but NO upside. The best approach would be to draft 2 QBs with Heinecke, and maybe a late 6th or 7th rounder on PS. You could seriously make the case for 3 QBs drafted--if we had a real GM and not a coach GM--and take the long view. We're not worried about stopgaps, we're worried about finding a LONG-TERM franchise QB. 3 rookies and Hein, let them compete. Or 2 rookies and a UDFA practice squad.

Our entire approach--and that of most posters--is so shortsighted. We must find a franchise QB in the draft, even if takes several lottery tickets over several years.

WFT won 7 games this year and AS was the QB for 5 of those wins. Whatever success WFT had this year is directly related to AS at QB. Had AS not come back this year there's no way this team wins more than 3 games.
That said, the comeback was great but its now time to move on and find a new QB.

[Ohioskins]

Alex Smith's success is directly related to a defense that shut down some opponents. AS a QB, Smith did nothing other than throw short dump off passes except for an occasional deep throw to McLaurin. I do not belive there is a single team in this league that would have any interest in him. His comeback was a great story. But it is time to read the last page where it says "The End".

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

Alex Smith's success is directly related to a defense that shut down some opponents. AS a QB, Smith did nothing other than throw short dump off passes except for an occasional deep throw to McLaurin. I do not belive there is a single team in this league that would have any interest in him. His comeback was a great story. But it is time to read the last page where it says "The End".

I admire the guys Grit and motivation but I agree, he needs to hang it up

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

Alex Smith's success is directly related to a defense that shut down some opponents. AS a QB, Smith did nothing other than throw short dump off passes except for an occasional deep throw to McLaurin. I do not belive there is a single team in this league that would have any interest in him. His comeback was a great story. But it is time to read the last page where it says "The End".

I could see him reuniting with Meyer in Jacksonville to be a mentor for Lawrence