Panthers Postgame sadness

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The biggest elephant in the press room that I have not seen the press get after Ron about is the slow starts by this team. It is a running joke between my son and me that we have to get down 17 to scare the team awake (referencing scary Terry's jersey). It is pathetic to know that regardless of the quality of the opponent, we are going to spot them a double digit lead.

Has anyone heard the team's response to this? It is not all on the offense either.

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Not having scored at all on their first possession of the game through 15 games is on the offense. Some of it's execution I'm sure, but in my opinion, a streak that long has to be a direct reflection of Scott Turner's ability (or inability) to put a game plan together.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

You know how it works. The system is broken.

True. But the no job thing is on his parents...how do you teach work ethic if you never had a job

1000000% on dad and mom.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Not having scored at all on their first possession of the game through 15 games is on the offense. Some of it's execution I'm sure, but in my opinion, a streak that long has to be a direct reflection of Scott Turner's ability (or inability) to put a game plan together.

I just wonder if it is even more than that though because the defense comes out seemingly unprepared also. So it makes me look at how the top 3 HC, DC, OC run game prep. Usually both sides of the ball get it together around half time but something in warmups or game prep must be off to be so perfectly imperfect.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Not having scored at all on their first possession of the game through 15 games is on the offense. Some of it's execution I'm sure, but in my opinion, a streak that long has to be a direct reflection of Scott Turner's ability (or inability) to put a game plan together.

Agreed to an extent, I blame the players for not executing and Scott Turner for being unable to put together a first 15 plays sheet that can get them started fast.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

True. But the no job thing is on his parents...how do you teach work ethic if you never had a job

1000000% on dad and mom.

Totally agree, and the impression I've gotten (from Haskins & Haskins) and the 2 months they spent planning his draft party, putting together his "entertainment" company/etc. indicates they looked at Dwayne as a meal ticket. I think his entire family and friends failed him.

https://twitter.com/michaelstrahan/s...841314817?s=20

Finally saw this clip of the Fox pre-game crew ripping Dwayne. It's a shame, he'll get another opportunity elsewhere for vet min probably but if his work ethic/ego gets in his own way there won't be many more opportunities.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

True. But the no job thing is on his parents...how do you teach work ethic if you never had a job

1000000% on dad and mom.

Im not getting caught up with that. He was a top prospect in the 4th grade. His dad had NFL aspirations for him. Seems he came from a middle class type family in NJ then moved to Potomac Md to go to Bullis in the 9th grade.

He was on a different life trajectory than us. I worked baskin robbins at 15 and Popeyes/day laborer through out high school until college. We werent him. Few are.

He attained an incredible achievement, making the NFL. No one can take that from him.

He also apparently lost that achievement by being immature and entitled. basically the opposite of Chase Young. In ways I feel bad for him. He has no one to blame but himself but it is sad watching a young person experience these huge crushing emotions so early in life.

A lot was given to him unearned but that is the society we live in. Us 40-60 year old fat guys on our couches raise these 19 year old athletes above us on this pedestal like some greek gods .. only to discard them into the trash heap once they dont benefit our Sunday viewing pleasure anymore.

I feel for the young man. His feelings right now and the weight on his shoulders is vastly more than any of us could even imagine.

We created Dwayne Haskins in many ways. College to professional sports is a factory and these young guys are just products on an assembly line with a limited useful shelf life before they are discarded and replaced.

[mooby]

https://twitter.com/ChadwikoRCC/stat...35284079878144

We lost because we were pretty terrible most of the game, but in case you needed more evidence of how terrible the refs were yesterday. I hope it's years before we see that crew again.

[oldfan]

SunnySide - Your post is pure Bull shit. it is not societies fault. As far as I am concerned, that old lament is some liberals way of blaming everyone else for being lazy, entitled and immature.

[mooby]

Bits from Ron's presser:

Terry Mac has a high ankle sprain. (I believe that's a 2-4 week injury, so prob. not looking good for this week either).

QB depth chart: #1 Alex, #2 Heinicke, #3 Haskins

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Im not getting caught up with that. He was a top prospect in the 4th grade. His dad had NFL aspirations for him. Seems he came from a middle class type family in NJ then moved to Potomac Md to go to Bullis in the 9th grade.

He was on a different life trajectory than us. I worked baskin robbins at 15 and Popeyes/day laborer through out high school until college. We werent him. Few are.

He attained an incredible achievement, making the NFL. No one can take that from him.

He also apparently lost that achievement by being immature and entitled. basically the opposite of Chase Young. In ways I feel bad for him. He has no one to blame but himself but it is sad watching a young person experience these huge crushing emotions so early in life.

A lot was given to him unearned but that is the society we live in. Us 40-60 year old fat guys on our couches raise these 19 year old athletes above us on this pedestal like some greek gods .. only to discard them into the trash heap once they dont benefit our Sunday viewing pleasure anymore.

I feel for the young man. His feelings right now and the weight on his shoulders is vastly more than any of us could even imagine.

We created Dwayne Haskins in many ways. College to professional sports is a factory and these young guys are just products on an assembly line with a limited useful shelf life before they are discarded and replaced.

I feel sorry for him to a degree, and hope he gets his life together as he said last night, but he has no more weight on his shoulders than most kids his age, trying to navigate through school, a new career, a new job, or several jobs. He has no more weight than the many who serve in our armed forces, for example. He just chose a different profession, and has chosen not to put in the effort it requires to be successful.

[OnceWeWereKings]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Im not getting caught up with that. He was a top prospect in the 4th grade. His dad had NFL aspirations for him. Seems he came from a middle class type family in NJ then moved to Potomac Md to go to Bullis in the 9th grade.

He was on a different life trajectory than us. I worked baskin robbins at 15 and Popeyes/day laborer through out high school until college. We werent him. Few are.

He attained an incredible achievement, making the NFL. No one can take that from him.

He also apparently lost that achievement by being immature and entitled. basically the opposite of Chase Young. In ways I feel bad for him. He has no one to blame but himself but it is sad watching a young person experience these huge crushing emotions so early in life.

A lot was given to him unearned but that is the society we live in. Us 40-60 year old fat guys on our couches raise these 19 year old athletes above us on this pedestal like some greek gods .. only to discard them into the trash heap once they dont benefit our Sunday viewing pleasure anymore.

I feel for the young man. His feelings right now and the weight on his shoulders is vastly more than any of us could even imagine.

We created Dwayne Haskins in many ways. College to professional sports is a factory and these young guys are just products on an assembly line with a limited useful shelf life before they are discarded and replaced.

I have a friend....a close friend, actually...and his family gave him the world. Kid had a good heart. His parents and grand parents gave him beautiful cars, and opportunity after opportunity. The likes of which none of my other friends had.. even wealthier friends got less.
My friend still wanted to do stupid immature things. He totalled 3 cars getting dui's on each. Every time....new car. He ended up in and out of jail for various offenses. We just kept telling him he was fucking up. He didn't listen, or couldn't. Whatever. Dude just couldn't not live the life. We didn't create that. His family didn't help the situation...but he chose to do those things. Sad as it is. And in the end he od'ed. It was a tough one. Really tough cause no one knew the extent of his issues, nor could anyone help him if we did.
But he chose that path. No one set him on it. His best friend (another of my close friends) had a wealthier family and was given a lot of the same opportunities. He is a lawyer now, and though likes a trip to the bar occasionally, is and never has been an addict. Never crashed a car. Never went to jail. He seized his opportunity, while my other friend took the other path. One worked hard and one used his opportunities to coast. I'm not gonna feel bad for haskins. He has the opportunity, but squanders it at every turn. He is a child. I will not think that he is a product of some football factory lifestyle that makes him a victim of circumstance. Hes just a kid who won't put in the work because he thinks it's a given that he deserves to succeed.
Fuck that.
I hope his t shirts are 100% cotton to absorb his entitled tears.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Im not getting caught up with that. He was a top prospect in the 4th grade. His dad had NFL aspirations for him. Seems he came from a middle class type family in NJ then moved to Potomac Md to go to Bullis in the 9th grade.

He was on a different life trajectory than us. I worked baskin robbins at 15 and Popeyes/day laborer through out high school until college. We werent him. Few are.

He attained an incredible achievement, making the NFL. No one can take that from him.

He also apparently lost that achievement by being immature and entitled. basically the opposite of Chase Young. In ways I feel bad for him. He has no one to blame but himself but it is sad watching a young person experience these huge crushing emotions so early in life.

A lot was given to him unearned but that is the society we live in. Us 40-60 year old fat guys on our couches raise these 19 year old athletes above us on this pedestal like some greek gods .. only to discard them into the trash heap once they dont benefit our Sunday viewing pleasure anymore.

I feel for the young man. His feelings right now and the weight on his shoulders is vastly more than any of us could even imagine.

We created Dwayne Haskins in many ways. College to professional sports is a factory and these young guys are just products on an assembly line with a limited useful shelf life before they are discarded and replaced.

Popeyes would be dangerous for me. That is some good ass fried chicken.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by oldfan

SunnySide - Your post is pure Bull shit. it is not societies fault. As far as I am concerned, that old lament is some liberals way of blaming everyone else for being lazy, entitled and immature.

Perhaps youre right oldfan. I wont pretend to have the answers.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

bits from ron's presser:

Terry mac has a high ankle sprain. (i believe that's a 2-4 week injury, so prob. Not looking good for this week either).

qb depth chart: #1 alex, #2 heinicke, #3 haskins

good!

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think there's zero chance Dan forced Ron to start Haskins, or is somehow pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Haskins played well enough in the second half of the Seattle game to get the nod, since Alex ultimately couldn't go. I'm convinced that RR and the coaching staff thought Haskins gave the team their best chance to win, and Haskins went out there and laid an absolute egg. It happens. No way they thought Heinicke would come in and show more than DH (against a softer defense, as has been pointed out). Maybe RR regrets not going to Heinicke earlier, or perhaps regrets starting Haskins at all, but hindsight is 20/20.

That said, it's hard to see a scenario where Haskins starts another game in the WFT uniform. If Haskins is starting next week, or even backing up the starter, then I'll start to question RR's decision making.

The gift TD on special teams, and the receivers' inability to catch the ball when it was actually put on them also didn't help. Collectively it wasn't a great day for the WFT (with the exception of the D - for the most part).

Gonna have to figure out a way to beat a better Philly team next Sunday night.

Forcing and advocating for/asking to are different things.

I just have a hard time seeing how this coaching staff didn't see that Haskins still hadn't understood what it took to be an NFL QB, and/or was out of his shoes following the strippers incident and his punishment.

And I do agree he had a really good game against the Seahawks, including first half IMO. But starting him, and even more so not benching him earlier reeked of "I got to give this freakin' kid every single chance available and only bench him when there's no other choice"... which reeks of Snyder's influence.