Replacement refs: The story the NFL wants to keep quiet

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.

I agree. They're simply not controlling the games but there's nothing we can do about it. The Baltimore game was just as bad. But right now it is what it is til the league gets a deal done. We got more called on our side yesterday.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.

That was the BAL/PHI game. Vick threw that ball and it was clear as day not a fumble.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.

I never said the refs made bad calls against us, in fact it appears you missed my point entirely. The refs made bad calls against both sides. I agree that they missed the td call, but Fisher certainly had the option to challenge and he elected not to. Jackson's run should've been from the 17 yard line, because the refs didn't penalize Jeff Fisher 15 yards for challenging an automatically reviewed play, so that entire sequence of events was ****ed up. And he was pulled from the game because he had a groin injury, not because Fisher benched him for spiking the ball. Might want to read up on that, yeah? And I agree with you in that they were more physical, but they were definitely more physical after the whistle too, as well as taking every opportunity they could to talk shit to our guys to get them to retaliate.

I agree we were out-coached, but for far different reasons. They knew how to gameplan for Haz's defense from the start, and he never adjusted because he apparently doesn't adjust. As far as offense goes, not much was working. The Rams sent pressure on anything longer than a 3 step drop, and even screens weren't working. They were just ready for what we tried to do. But the offense still put up 21 points, and we had a 21-6 lead. That was plenty enough to win the game right there, but the defense couldn't hold them.

At the end of the day though, the thing with the refs that most concerns me is their failure to maintain control throughout the game. There was a lot of cheap shots going on, post-whistle scrums, and I felt like it was obvious they were trying to get away with a lot more stuff than they'd try to do if the normal refs were in there. I'm not concerned about the calls, because like I said there were plenty of bad calls on both sides.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.

This.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

The longer that this goes on, the more and more calls will be blown, and people's opinions of them the longer they are on the field will plummet, even farther than they are now. Right now, I consider this not so much a "non issue", but an overshadowed one, considering people are just so hyped up about having football back again. Once that honeymoon with the NFL comes to an end come, say, the end of week two, all of the replacement ref's blown calls will be under a mass media microscope, and people will be wanting heads.

Thats just my opinion, but I saw a poorly officialled game last night, it was not tight, alot of missed calls, and this will continue, and it will grow like a boil, until the fans and the NFL can no longer take it. Again, just my opinion, but these scabs are nowhere as proficient as the real referees, and everyone knows it. Tis just a matter of time until this thing boils over.

And people are now surprised. It was only a matter of time ^^^^^^

Also......

Not so much they will get worse, I guess I didn't type out my thoughts precisely enough, I just mean that the situation will get worse, and even if they do a superb job calling games (which they won't), people will bitch and moan a hell of alot more than they would, just because of the fact that they are not full time referees, thus they are inefficient.

The missed calls, wrong calls, and retarded calls will happen. Its just a matter of time until a completely RIDICULOUS call occurs, after which everyone and their brother will be making this a huge issue. Just the fact that they are considered replacements makes it unfair for them, especially when disecting their calls in hindsight. Analysts and fans alike will scrutinize their calls more methodically and meticulously, until the only option the NFL has is to get the professionals back in the stripes.

I wholeheartedly believe that the refs are just biding their time until retarded and ridiculous calls get made in multiple games in the same week, and that will be magnified and pointed to by all (Players, coaches, ex referee's, fans, EVERYONE). By waiting for the tornado of bad calls, I see the ref's gaining alot of traction in negotiations, and their leverage can only increase.

BTW - the games last week were not well officiated games. Ignoring calls just for the sake of not getting them incorrect is a recipe for disaster. The ones yesterday were about 50 times worse than last week, and this is exactly what I meant about them getting worse. The calls would get worse, and then as time goes by, the outcry will become deafening. I can see the real refs getting whatever they want this week. If they don't get what they ask, I can at least guarantee that their deal will be a little sweeter given the atrocious calls made yesterday.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

My problem the refs aren't limited to bad calls, but with like others have said the lack of control of the game and the lack of respect that the players have for the refs. The head referee in our game looked as though he had no idea what was going on when he came out to make a call.

I have said "that was the worst officiated game I have ever seen" before but those games didn't come close to the lack of officiating that happened yesterday. I am not blaming them for the game and I am not saying that the Rams werent on the receiving end of some missed and bad calls either. There were plenty of opportunities for us to win this game.

[Lotus]

Peter King takes it to the replacement refs.
Shoddy, inconsistent officiating making NFL games hard to enjoy - Peter King - SI.com

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

I never said the refs made bad calls against us, in fact it appears you missed my point entirely. The refs made bad calls against both sides. I agree that they missed the td call, but Fisher certainly had the option to challenge and he elected not to. Jackson's run should've been from the 17 yard line, because the refs didn't penalize Jeff Fisher 15 yards for challenging an automatically reviewed play, so that entire sequence of events was ****ed up. And he was pulled from the game because he had a groin injury, not because Fisher benched him for spiking the ball. Might want to read up on that, yeah? And I agree with you in that they were more physical, but they were definitely more physical after the whistle too, as well as taking every opportunity they could to talk shit to our guys to get them to retaliate.

I agree we were out-coached, but for far different reasons. They knew how to gameplan for Haz's defense from the start, and he never adjusted because he apparently doesn't adjust. As far as offense goes, not much was working. The Rams sent pressure on anything longer than a 3 step drop, and even screens weren't working. They were just ready for what we tried to do. But the offense still put up 21 points, and we had a 21-6 lead. That was plenty enough to win the game right there, but the defense couldn't hold them.

At the end of the day though, the thing with the refs that most concerns me is their failure to maintain control throughout the game. There was a lot of cheap shots going on, post-whistle scrums, and I felt like it was obvious they were trying to get away with a lot more stuff than they'd try to do if the normal refs were in there. I'm not concerned about the calls, because like I said there were plenty of bad calls on both sides.

During the game at least twice I heard announcers say that when asked the Rams sideline stated nothing was physically wrong with Jackson. If Fischer changed the story later that's his deal.

I have no idea what you're talking about otherwise....just lots of randomness there. Bottom line we we're soundly outcoached in all facets of the game i.e. special teams, offense and defense. Any discussion of the refs is just making excuses.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

During the game at least twice I heard announcers say that when asked the Rams sideline stated nothing was physically wrong with Jackson. If Fischer changed the story later that's his deal.

I have no idea what you're talking about otherwise....just lots of randomness there. Bottom line we we're soundly outcoached in all facets of the game i.e. special teams, offense and defense. Any discussion of the refs is just making excuses.

This should be posted on all threads then close them down and go to work on the Bengals. Nice perspective Goat.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

This should be posted on all threads then close them down and go to work on the Bengals. Nice perspective Goat.

Gonna be a tough game with all the hoopla of RGIII's first game at home, but I think we'll come out very aggressive on both sides of the ball.

[MTK]

I don't think anyone is or should be pinning the loss on the replacement refs. But they are a major concern not just for the Skins but for the entire league. And as the season goes on, the problem is only going to get worse.

The league can go on and on about player safety all they want, but when they are willing to trot out subpar refs who have no control of the game or respect from the players and coaches, let alone knowledge and understanding of the NFL rules, it's a problem.

[skinsfan69]

Who's to blame for the deal not getting done with the regular refs?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who's to blame for the deal not getting done with the regular refs?

Vinny Cerrato, obviously.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Vinny Cerrato, obviously.

[Meks]

lmao