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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If Bush were still in office, don't you think he'd be pushing the same agenda, or maybe worse?

I'm not in favor of what's going on, it's just funny to hear everyone up in arms about this now, where was all the fuss in 2001?

Where was it in 1979?

https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If Bush were still in office, don't you think he'd be pushing the same agenda, or maybe worse?

I'm not in favor of what's going on, it's just funny to hear everyone up in arms about this now, where was all the fuss in 2001?

Just reference any of The One's pre-office statements on this kind of thing. It doesn't seem to be such a concern now.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Where was it in 1979?

https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

The use of the word 'Foreign' threw everyone off?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Just reference any of The One's pre-office statements on this kind of thing. It doesn't seem to be such a concern now.

Welcome to politics. Where politicians say what they need to say to get elected, then reality hits when they get in office and they see what's really behind curtain #1.

[Lotus]

I for one consider Snowden a hero rather than traitor. He gave up a cushy life, a nice paycheck, and his security to call out our government for abrogating the Constitution. I think we all owe Snowden a debt of gratitude.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I for one consider Snowden a hero rather than traitor. He gave up a cushy life, a nice paycheck, and his security to call out our government for abrogating the Constitution. I think we all owe Snowden a debt of gratitude.

I agree.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I agree.

Now you're agreeing with Lotus?!? I dunno Rat ... I am really, really getting scared.

Let's have a prayer circle where we discuss the competing ethical considerations of Mr. Snowden's actions. You in?

[RedskinRat]

Make it a drum circle and I may turn up.

I'm confident that even the most irascible of forum opponents can occasionally find common ground. It's making me question my mental state, I have to say. Bad enough I agree with you, heinous that Lotus and I are holding the same position. Next SS will appear rational or likeable.

We typically can't even agree on how to be fans of the same team.

Solar flare?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

On the topic at hand, individual liberties are slowly but surely being strangled out in the name of security and tolerance. Soon enough, the only thing we will be "secure" from is the ability to voice unpopular or divisive thought while being subject to the Kafka'esque brutality of an overly bureaucratic government with the added random evil of the mob unrestrained by legal process. All in the name of public safety and tolerance.

With apologies to Rush, the day is coming when Congress shall pass a noble law and all will be kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw.

Outstanding song reference JR.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I agree.

So at what point would a computer judge/jury not find him guilty based on the emotional belief that giving up safety/security for country outweighs the purely analytical rule of law that says he told national secrets?

no need to respond, I Robot answered it already.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So at what point would a computer judge/jury not find him guilty based on the emotional belief that giving up safety/security for country outweighs the purely analytical rule of law that says he told national secrets?

no need to respond, I Robot answered it already.

He's clearly guilty, with mitigating circumstances.

He'll be sentenced to be lightly killed.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Welcome to politics. Where politicians say what they need to say to get elected, then reality hits when they get in office and they see what's really behind curtain #1.

I think it's more a case of

I think national-level politicians know exactly what positions they're going to take when they get in office. It's just a matter of what the public will let them get away with.

edit: And like you said, they say what they think they need to get into office. Even if they're going to do the same thing when they get in.

[NC_Skins]

When Vladimir Putin is defending America for its spying on its citizens, I think it's high time we start rethinking the direction our country is heading.

Putin on NSA leak: Government surveillance shouldn’t break law — RT News

[That Guy]

carnivore has existed forever. all these newfangled shiny things are just the same idea with upgraded tech. and the ability for unchecked drone kill-listing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Where was it in 1979?

https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

SS you must have made that up , that could not have happen because Obama wasn't President and as this board will tell you he is personally responsible for everything wrong in this country ,......ever!!!