DWOC's International Burn a Koran Day

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I don't think it would be as popularized in........Rancho Cucamonga, rather than 9/11ville

No doubt.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mooby

Actually no, what I am saying is that I believe that you actually don't believe the crazy shit that you post on the boards. That you have a reputation as a crazy right winger to live up to and that's why you write what you write.

There's no way in hell you can read what I just wrote and infer that I must be some kind of Bush/Obama/anybody else in politics lover. I don't even mention them. They have nothing to do with this post, or this thread, for that matter.

I sure did believe that post. For the recored I'm pretty liberal about some things, conservative when it comes to raising children (well my children) and conservative with most social issues. Even though I'm conservative I'm not a bible thumper and also have a problem with allot of them. I actually do think this guy is crazy but I find the reaction to him some what amusing.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?

Are we talking rouge American terrorist militiamen attacking Mecca? They shouldn't get mad at all Americans but at the very least they should be able to invade the states where these men came from.

[over the mountain]

dont american citizens who view the koran as vile and hate filled have a right to express their feelings? in america?

while their feelings might be misguided to seemingly most of us here (their disdain towards minority extreme militants colors thier overly broad disdain for all islams) dont they have a right to express their feelings in a civil and organized manner?

the 1st amendment, freedom of speech and expression in this country wasnt put in place to protect the right of americans to say "yahoo for the US!" but to protect the rights and viewpoints of the fringe minority groups to organize and express themselves in a civil manner.

i think when the SC looks at what is protected speech vs hate speech they look towards, in part, the intent of the speaker. thats to say, the court wont block someone from saying something only based upon another persons unreasonable reaction.

if i burn the koran for the purpose of symbolizing my dislike for its teachings and not to incite a riot or jihad, i feel like i have that right in america. the fact that a group of people might be hyper-sensitive to my act shouldnt allow the courts or gov't to preclude me from doing so.

to decide what is and what isnt protected speech based upon others hyper-sensitive reactions would leave a mute world.

idk thoo i spent most of my time smoking tie stick and bowling at the ROTC. i dont really remember much.

[DynamiteRave]

[quote=firstdown;729801]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Probably because the majority of Muslims are peaceful and denounce the those who practice radical forms of Islam like those who acted in 9/11.

I can't wait till people start burning the Bible again.[/quote

Didn't know they stopped.

Oh oh, here's what I meant; I can't wait till people start publicly gathering people together to burn the Bible again in the name of Christianity being a bunch of horse poo because Christianity is a dangerous religion with dangerous people. There we go.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

dont american citizens who view the koran as vile and hate filled have a right to express their feelings? in america?

while their feelings might be misguided to seemingly most of us here (their disdain towards minority extreme militants colors thier overly broad disdain for all islams) dont they have a right to express their feelings in a civil and organized manner?

the 1st amendment, freedom of speech and expression in this country wasnt put in place to protect the right of americans to say "yahoo for the US!" but to protect the rights and viewpoints of the fringe minority groups to organize and express themselves in a civil manner.

i think when the SC looks at what is protected speech vs hate speech they look towards, in part, the intent of the speaker. thats to say, the court wont block someone from saying something only based upon another persons unreasonable reaction.

if i burn the koran for the purpose of symbolizing my dislike for its teachings and not to incite a riot or jihad, i feel like i have that right in america. the fact that a group of people might be hyper-sensitive to my act shouldnt allow the courts or gov't to preclude me from doing so.

to decide what is and what isnt protected speech based upon others hyper-sensitive reactions would leave a mute world.

idk thoo i spent most of my time smoking tie stick and bowling at the ROTC. i dont really remember much.

I don't think anyone here is arguing whether or not they have a right to, they certainly do. But the fact that they are doing it in the name of Islam being bad and showing their disdain for radical Muslims, they fail to see that they just come off looking like a bunch of stupid radical Christians.

But I read an article about this on Yahoo News and a user comment on there said it best: "If radical Christians want to piss off radical Muslims, why intervene? Let them wipe each other off the face of the earth so regular people can have some peace and quiet."

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Of course not right off hand but I don't think anyone was extremely comfortable with Islam for a good time after 9/11 happened. But it helps that a lot of building bridges and investigation went on after that. I mean the whole, "you hurt me, so I'm gonna hurt you back" thing is so Neanderthal, especially after so much work has been done to get Americans and Muslims to come to terms and understand what happened in terms of 9/11.

Neanderthal or no, what terms would you suggest for dealing with radical sons if islam?
AND they do themselves NO good service in building a Mosque near the 9/11 site. No good can come of that. AND they knew that in advance but are trying to do it anyway. You have to be responsible for your own actions......even stupid ones. If they look to assimilate in a meaningful, peaceful way that contributes positively to society.....this isn't it

[DynamiteRave]

p.s. this thread needs a TTE sighting right about now... Politics threads have been eerily quiet lately..

[Hog1]

BTW.......it's Quran
not Koran as in Korea

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't think anyone here is arguing whether or not they have a right to, they certainly do. But the fact that they are doing it in the name of Islam being bad and showing their disdain for radical Muslims, they fail to see that they just come off looking like a bunch of stupid radical Christians.

But I read an article about this on Yahoo News and a user comment on there said it best: "If radical Christians want to piss off radical Muslims, why intervene? Let them wipe each other off the face of the earth so regular people can have some peace and quiet."

That's the sad irony. They are acting like the Taliban to show how much they hate the Taliban.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Neanderthal or no, what terms would you suggest for dealing with radical sons if islam?
AND they do themselves NO good service in building a Mosque near the 9/11 site. No good can come of that. AND they knew that in advance but are trying to do it anyway. You have to be responsible for your own actions......even stupid ones. If they look to assimilate in a meaningful, peaceful way that contributes positively to society.....this isn't it

I'm not saying building a Mosque near the 9/11 site is in a good taste but just like Over said about the Koran burning, they certainly have the right to do so. Albeit wrong or right. And you have no idea what those people building in Mosque have in store in terms of "good service". They might surprise the community and actually do some charitable work towards NYC.

Or they could just be a sleeper cell like everyone expects them to be. Whatever. *Shrugs*

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

Are we talk rouge American terrorist militiamen attacking Mecca? They shouldn't get mad at all Americans but at the very least they should be able to invade the states where these men came from.

They could.....try
AND you can rest assured, if "they" were a big enough dog, they would. And maybe they are. They are good at that sort of thing........

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

They could.....try
AND you can rest assured, if "they" were a big enough dog, they would. And maybe they are. They are good at that sort of thing........

You don't have to be top dog to do damage....No men are more dangerous than those who have nothing to lose.

To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

-Sun Tzu

[SmootSmack]

It's a community center with a prayer room, not a mosque. And the way some people talk you'd think a theme park reenacting planes flying into buildings was being built. Not sure I'll ever understand the connection between building this center and burning a holy book.

[firstdown]

[quote=DynamiteRave;729823]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Oh oh, here's what I meant; I can't wait till people start publicly gathering people together to burn the Bible again in the name of Christianity being a bunch of horse poo because Christianity is a dangerous religion with dangerous people. There we go.

Rave not sure why you think I would care because I have not been to church in 10 or so years. Last time i was asked if I wanted to go to heven I was in a bar and asked the guy to point her out.