WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

That might be what pushed Watson to request for the trade, but I think it's more than that. The FO and team are mess - they are not doing good job of building the team.. Even Andre Johnson, a long time Texans and pretty good WR said he regretted for not trying to go to a different team because the FO do not know what they are doing.

Yeah all that is true but I didn't hear Watson requesting a trade when they were in the playoffs last year. If he saw warning signs then don't sign the contract. Watson could have not signed anything long term and did what Kirk did, force your way to free agency. He didn't do that. He took the long term money then turns around and wants out cause his feelings got hurt.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah all that is true but I didn't hear Watson requesting a trade when they were in the playoffs last year. If he saw warning signs then don't sign the contract. Watson could have not signed anything long term and did what Kirk did, force your way to free agency. He didn't do that. He took the long term money then turns around and wants out cause his feelings got hurt.

I’m not a Watson apologist, but from what I’ve read the Texans leadership is a shit show and it’s a little more than Watson just having his feelings hurt.

I think Watson wanted to be with the team when he resigned, but with the no trade clause, it’s very clear to me that Watson and his agent may have been wise to what was coming with O’Brien trading all their best players for moldy cheese sandwiches.

Like I said, if he didn’t want to be there, he wouldn’t have signed, but he did, and even put a no trade clause in so he couldn’t be shipped off to the wastelands of a perennial loser. That shows he wanted to be a Texan. But things have continued to spiral downward quickly for this franchise. After events with O’Brien continuing to screw up, getting fired, Easterby jacking things up, McNair continuing to be a terrible owner, Watson being told by the team he would be involved, then not, his frustration is justifiable.

Texans won’t want to trade him to AFC. Out of the NFC teams, the most desirable teams for Watson to green light are San Francisco, LA Rams, Carolina, and Washington.

[MTK]

So with Trent and Kirk's situations plenty of fans had no problem siding with the team, yet with Watson we're fine with him strong arming his way out after just signing a new deal? Interesting.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

So with Trent and Kirk's situations plenty of fans had no problem siding with the team, yet with Watson we're fine with him strong arming his way out after just signing a new deal? Interesting.

I really don't know much about Watson.

I am huge Celtics fan probaly love them more the the Skins. If Watson is anything like Krye Irving with the demands, NO THANKS!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This is an honest curiosity question. I don't even know if it is possible, but what about trading 19 for Tua which miami can add to their trade for Watson.

Would people take Tua for 19 or 19 and a 4th?

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I would do the gamble on that. Ideally I like Stafford but I think the price might be a bit high for us

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

So with Trent and Kirk's situations plenty of fans had no problem siding with the team, yet with Watson we're fine with him strong arming his way out after just signing a new deal? Interesting.

My stance is that KC and TW set the stage for more players to do it. I think Watson's situation closely resembles TW's and if Houston plays hardball like we did, then they have the right. However, players now know they can win the fight by sitting out - and the ones doing this are certainly well enough off that they can afford to.

I still think it's BS, but it's going to happen more often now, and teams with bad management are going to be struck by it more frequently. If karma chooses to let us benefit by it, I am not going to be sad.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

You don't know that. He's played through brutal injuries for years. And at 38 every QB is less effective than in their prime. Even if he lasts that long, I'd rather have a young QB who is 26 or 27 at that time. He has four kids. Maybe he gets his knee blown out on a blown protection because we don't have that LT we could have drafted with the picks we spent on him, and starts thinking about long term health. Anything can happen in NFL. The fact that a few QBs playing into 40s doesn't mean most are. We get 3 more years out of him, still at a high level, we did well. And that isn't worth a 1st round plus more.

We haven't had a true pro scout pick a QB in over a decade. THE DAN dictated McNabb, RGIII, Haskins. Imagine if all those picks had been used on players that produced. You don't have to trade up to 8. Why is everyone a bunch of pussies about drafting a QB? When you don't trade 5 picks for a trade-up for a QB, all your eggs aren't in one basket. I guarantee you Smith has one QB not in top-4 in this draft that he thinks could be a franchise QB that would probably be available at #19, and probably in 2nd round. Draft a franchise LT first round, a QB 2nd round, a CB and WR 3rd round. Then another QB you like 4th or 5th round. Bring them in, let them compete. A good GM CAN find a franchise QB outside the top 15.

I'm not opposed to proven vet, but NOT by trading away the future. What is truly obstinate is the insistence we mortgage our future for retreads.

Tua and Watson: dream on. Miami isn't giving up on him year 2. Houston isn't trading Watson for anything less than 2 1sts plus more, he isn't worth that, and the owner is probably going to dig in and say, screw having a guy I just paid $27M and agreed to pay $156M over 4 years, $39M a year, with $80M guaranteed at signing, telling me what to do. The dead cap hit is $50M to $60M if you cut him, and still a ton if you trade him. Billionaires aren't fans. Watson is trying to screw Houston BIG TIME, and even a billionaire isn't going to just shrug off a boning that huge. The GM is doing the smart thing, keeping quiet, letting the media and homers do what they do, and then see if some team will give up an absurd ransom. If not, Watson gets told to show up or get sued.

Can I offer friendly advice? (i will anyways)

You don't need to write books or essays for every response (may be a bit hypocritical coming from me)
Capitalizing the DAN isn't really necessary, we all know who DS is. And it makes your posts seem a bit stalker crazy.

On the football side, whoever we bring in at QB has risks of injury. Bringing in a draft pick QB, regardless of scouting staff, is always hit or miss. Look at the teams this year alone that are QB needy. If we have the opportunity to spend 1 first, and get a high probability of offensive success for several years, than we should do that. Then bring in mid round pick qbs every other year looking for the shining star.

This is a QB driven league. the second factor is defense. If you have those two in top bracket category, you will be a continual presence in the playoffs.

[MTK]

I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Stafford and not have to give up all the draft capital it's going to take to get Watson.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Stafford and not have to give up all the draft capital it's going to take to get Watson.

Same here

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My stance is that KC and TW set the stage for more players to do it. I think Watson's situation closely resembles TW's and if Houston plays hardball like we did, then they have the right. However, players now know they can win the fight by sitting out - and the ones doing this are certainly well enough off that they can afford to.

I still think it's BS, but it's going to happen more often now, and teams with bad management are going to be struck by it more frequently. If karma chooses to let us benefit by it, I am not going to be sad.

I think Watson's situation is completely different from TW and KC. Watson is an elite player, with proven success, and in his prime. Also, both Cousins and Trent were part of a team that was constantly shit show, whereas Bill O'Brien ran the Texans into the ground within one year.

Given all the eff ups that the Texans as an organization has done and the terrible situation they are in (no draft picks/cap hell/etc., etc.), I don't blame Watson for wanting to get the hell out of there.

[SkinzWin]

@VincentFrankNFL

“49ers and Detroit have been talking trade through the night. Holmes wants it done quick, any team. 49ers offered two 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks. From what I know.”

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think Watson's situation is completely different from TW and KC. Watson is an elite player, with proven success, and in his prime. Also, both Cousins and Trent were part of a team that was constantly shit show, whereas Bill O'Brien ran the Texans into the ground within one year.

Given all the eff ups that the Texans as an organization has done and the terrible situation they are in (no draft picks/cap hell/etc., etc.), I don't blame Watson for wanting to get the hell out of there.

This...way different situations. The huge misplay by the Texans is telling him he would have say in coach/GM and then not. Bill O’Brien broke this team along with ownership. I get why Watson wants out.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

@VincentFrankNFL

“49ers and Detroit have been talking trade through the night. Holmes wants it done quick, any team. 49ers offered two 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks. From what I know.”

As expected, San Fran does want to give up that first round pick. I’d offer our first and next year 2nd or DL

[BaltimoreSkins]

I'd even say KC and TW are two very different situations. I really can't blame KC for what happened. While TW a contract should be a contract.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

As expected, San Fran does want to give up that first round pick. I’d offer our first and next year 2nd or DL

does or doesn't?