WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yeah most likely, but I was suggesting a 3 way trade where we get Tau, Miami gets Watson and Houston gets the 3rd overall pick they got from Houston and our 19th, meaning miami keeps their 18th pick.

I don't know that it works or that Tua is worth it, just think there would be some chance to make that work for everyone.

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Houston needs someone to replace Watson on the short term. Miami probably need to send their 3rd and 18 plus tau

[sdskinsfan2001]

Texans have to trade Watson. But they don't to trade him until draft day, unless someone goes insane. They have a chance to at least be reasonably competitive in 2022 if they make a solid trade.

Random thought - They might as well trade Watt too. Not to us. But the idea of Kerrigan and Watt going to the same team would be awesome (AFC team). Just 2 older amazing NFL citizens going out in a blaze of glory together. Titans have a good team and trash pass rush. That is my random offseason dream (if Kerrigan doesn't want to come back at No. 3).

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Warthog

I’d trade:

Plan C: Go for Stafford
2021: First & next year Third

Or
Sign Heinicke


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Fixed it lol, drafting a qb could have stayed but eh, that's tough. The Watson package tho hellllllllll no.

I hope one of these two happen

[mooby]

You guys really think giving up #19 for a qb who needs serious development in the passing game jives with Riverboat Ron's "window is open to win now" gameplan?

That idea sounds bad on many levels. If anything Tua is worth less than a first rounder now because teams know how much work he needs. You don't think that whole "insert Fitzpatrick to create Fitzmagic" at the end of the games isn't a strike against Tua?

[SkinzWin]

Thoughts on teams for Watson:

He’s not going to the Jets. 1. AFC team. 2. Unless Saleh is blowing a smoke stack out his ass, he’s been quoted numerous times praising and touting Darnold (something he isn’t obligated to do, he could be non-committal).

He’s not going to the Jags. They are a lock to build around Lawrence.

He’s not going to New Orleans. They are in cap hell. Current sitting $100m over the cap.

He’s not going to the Patriots. Cam is no bargaining chip and I don’t see Bellicheck mortgaging the farm when he recently has been quoted saying their poor performance this year is a direct result of mortgaging past years to win Super Bowls.

Chicago is off the table. Even as an NFC team, Mitch Trubiski is no trade bait, Robinson won’t be there and I don’t see Watson waiving his clause to go there.

Pittsburgh is loyal and will reach a renegotiated extension with Roethlisburger. No dice.

Denver could be an interested party, but again I don’t see Watson wanting to sign up to join the Bronco’s anemic offense.

No one is talking about this, but Detroit could try and trade Stafford for Watson, but ultimately I think Watson would poopoo a trade to Motown.

Raiders are a dark horse candidate because they could offer Carr and Gruden is crazy and might do anything.

Atlanta, a deeper dark horse, could come out of no where and trade Matty Ice and boatloads of picks. But Demitrov was more of a gambler with trading away draft capital (ie trading up for Julio Jones) and it remains to be seen what Fontenot will want to do.

Is Miami an option? AFC team. Media and fans are speculating but I have seen ZERO actual rumblings/insider tips stating that Miami is seriously discussing trading Tua for Watson.

Colts are a contender, but an AFC team. And I really don’t see Watson waiving his no trade clause to go there, they don’t have a ton of star power.

The Rams are a possibility, with Goff perhaps being on the block, good skill players and a dominant defense.

Panthers could be a contender. NFC team. They could offer Bridgewater, but other than McCaffrey, I don’t see any strong reason for Watson to want to go there.

49ers are a strong contender. NFC team. They could offer Garoppolo, have good skill players on offense and Shan-wow runs a QB friendly offense.

With all this said, I think there are a lot of teams that may be interested, but not a lot of teams Watson I want to go to.

With a limited list of teams that A) Watson would be willing to be traded to OR B) are willing to give up Houston’s most likely gong to be asking, that leaves:

the Washington Football team as the top prospect. Watson is pissed off with the good old boy mentality in Houston. WFT has the most diverse staff in the league. Check. Young core of talented up and coming players in both sides of the ball. Great offensive skills position players. Check. Dominant defense. Check. Tom’s of cap space. Check.

Deshaun Watson. Come on down to our nation’s capitol. The football’s fine.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Thoughts on teams for Watson:

He’s not going to the Jets. 1. AFC team. 2. Unless Saleh is blowing a smoke stack out his ass, he’s been quoted numerous times praising and touting Darnold (something he isn’t obligated to do, he could be non-committal).

He’s not going to the Jags. They are a lock to build around Lawrence.

He’s not going to New Orleans. They are in cap hell. Current sitting $100m over the cap.

He’s not going to the Patriots. Cam is no bargaining chip and I don’t see Bellicheck mortgaging the farm when he recently has been quoted saying their poor performance this year is a direct result of mortgaging past years to win Super Bowls.

Chicago is off the table. Even as an NFC team, Mitch Trubiski is no trade bait, Robinson won’t be there and I don’t see Watson waiving his clause to go there.

Pittsburgh is loyal and will reach a renegotiated extension with Roethlisburger. No dice.

Denver could be an interested party, but again I don’t see Watson wanting to sign up to join the Bronco’s anemic offense.

No one is talking about this, but Detroit could try and trade Stafford for Watson, but ultimately I think Watson would poopoo a trade to Motown.

Raiders are a dark horse candidate because they could offer Carr and Gruden is crazy and might do anything.

Atlanta, a deeper dark horse, could come out of no where and trade Matty Ice and boatloads of picks. But Demitrov was more of a gambler with trading away draft capital (ie trading up for Julio Jones) and it remains to be seen what Fontenot will want to do.

Is Miami an option? AFC team. Media and fans are speculating but I have seen ZERO actual rumblings/insider tips stating that Miami is seriously discussing trading Tua for Watson.

Colts are a contender, but an AFC team. And I really don’t see Watson waiving his no trade clause to go there, they don’t have a ton of star power.

The Rams are a possibility, with Goff perhaps being on the block, good skill players and a dominant defense.

Panthers could be a contender. NFC team. They could offer Bridgewater, but other than McCaffrey, I don’t see any strong reason for Watson to want to go there.

49ers are a strong contender. NFC team. They could offer Garoppolo, have good skill players on offense and Shan-wow runs a QB friendly offense.

With all this said, I think there are a lot of teams that may be interested, but not a lot of teams Watson I want to go to.

With a limited list of teams that A) Watson would be willing to be traded to OR B) are willing to give up Houston’s most likely gong to be asking, that leaves:

the Washington Football team as the top prospect. Watson is pissed off with the good old boy mentality in Houston. WFT has the most diverse staff in the league. Check. Young core of talented up and coming players in both sides of the ball. Great offensive skills position players. Check. Dominant defense. Check. Tom’s of cap space. Check.

Deshaun Watson. Come on down to our nation’s capitol. The football’s fine.

Asking to be traded and being traded are two different things. We'll see what Watson decides when he gets the letter asking for $20M+ signing bonus back if he doesn't report, plus $50K a day in fines. Houston could very well call his bluff. All because he doesn't get to pick the coach. Boo hoo hoo Papa Smurf. It is a great media story, but 99% certain he isn't going anywhere. For many owners, it is just the principle of a hole signing a new contract, not letting the ink dry half a year, and then pulling this. Horrible precedent to bow to. I would call his bluff. Go bag groceries and give me my signing bonus back. The owner will be a billionaire forever. Every year Watson goes without earning is a year he can't get back.

One year of Ron doesn't change perception of Skins. There are much more stable teams wanting a QB. Skins will be called for one reason: Houston hopes the madness of old is still here and we'll be dumb enough to completely mortgage the future. Even a team not inclined to trade may do so for a preposterous ransom. Watson is overrated especially if you make him stay in the pocket and be a real QB.

Players are still gun shy about Skins because everyone rightfully expects THE DAN to meddle. Saying we are top locale for him is absurd, and I don't want him. He's a me first a-hole.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by mooby

You guys really think giving up #19 for a qb who needs serious development in the passing game jives with Riverboat Ron's "window is open to win now" gameplan?

That idea sounds bad on many levels. If anything Tua is worth less than a first rounder now because teams know how much work he needs. You don't think that whole "insert Fitzpatrick to create Fitzmagic" at the end of the games isn't a strike against Tua?

Dolphins aren't trading him for that so why waste time talking about it?
You don't give up on a QB until year 3 (unless THE DAN does the drafting), and Tua had the injury which a FO might argue slowed development.
These homers.
Man.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Stafford will give you 5 years of as sure a thing as you can get in the NFL. You could trade up to 8 to try and guess at a qb, but you lose all hope if, as our history has shown, he doesn't pan out.
Obviously the trade and extended contract have to be in reason but dismissing the idea of bringing in a proven vet seems ridiculoulsy obstinate.

As for Tua, IF Watson wants to go to Miami and IF Miami wants Watson that opens the door for negotiations on Tua.

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You don't know that. He's played through brutal injuries for years. And at 38 every QB is less effective than in their prime. Even if he lasts that long, I'd rather have a young QB who is 26 or 27 at that time. He has four kids. Maybe he gets his knee blown out on a blown protection because we don't have that LT we could have drafted with the picks we spent on him, and starts thinking about long term health. Anything can happen in NFL. The fact that a few QBs playing into 40s doesn't mean most are. We get 3 more years out of him, still at a high level, we did well. And that isn't worth a 1st round plus more.

We haven't had a true pro scout pick a QB in over a decade. THE DAN dictated McNabb, RGIII, Haskins. Imagine if all those picks had been used on players that produced. You don't have to trade up to 8. Why is everyone a bunch of pussies about drafting a QB? When you don't trade 5 picks for a trade-up for a QB, all your eggs aren't in one basket. I guarantee you Smith has one QB not in top-4 in this draft that he thinks could be a franchise QB that would probably be available at #19, and probably in 2nd round. Draft a franchise LT first round, a QB 2nd round, a CB and WR 3rd round. Then another QB you like 4th or 5th round. Bring them in, let them compete. A good GM CAN find a franchise QB outside the top 15.

I'm not opposed to proven vet, but NOT by trading away the future. What is truly obstinate is the insistence we mortgage our future for retreads.

Tua and Watson: dream on. Miami isn't giving up on him year 2. Houston isn't trading Watson for anything less than 2 1sts plus more, he isn't worth that, and the owner is probably going to dig in and say, screw having a guy I just paid $27M and agreed to pay $156M over 4 years, $39M a year, with $80M guaranteed at signing, telling me what to do. The dead cap hit is $50M to $60M if you cut him, and still a ton if you trade him. Billionaires aren't fans. Watson is trying to screw Houston BIG TIME, and even a billionaire isn't going to just shrug off a boning that huge. The GM is doing the smart thing, keeping quiet, letting the media and homers do what they do, and then see if some team will give up an absurd ransom. If not, Watson gets told to show up or get sued.

[SkinzWin]

@danorlovsky7

“I got a feeling we bout to get some fireworks today....”

As a former Lion, I read into this as him having an inside line on a Stafford scoop. Stay tuned friends.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Thoughts on teams for Watson:

He’s not going to the Jets. 1. AFC team. 2. Unless Saleh is blowing a smoke stack out his ass, he’s been quoted numerous times praising and touting Darnold (something he isn’t obligated to do, he could be non-committal).

He’s not going to the Jags. They are a lock to build around Lawrence.

He’s not going to New Orleans. They are in cap hell. Current sitting $100m over the cap.

He’s not going to the Patriots. Cam is no bargaining chip and I don’t see Bellicheck mortgaging the farm when he recently has been quoted saying their poor performance this year is a direct result of mortgaging past years to win Super Bowls.

Chicago is off the table. Even as an NFC team, Mitch Trubiski is no trade bait, Robinson won’t be there and I don’t see Watson waiving his clause to go there.

Pittsburgh is loyal and will reach a renegotiated extension with Roethlisburger. No dice.

Denver could be an interested party, but again I don’t see Watson wanting to sign up to join the Bronco’s anemic offense.

No one is talking about this, but Detroit could try and trade Stafford for Watson, but ultimately I think Watson would poopoo a trade to Motown.

Raiders are a dark horse candidate because they could offer Carr and Gruden is crazy and might do anything.

Atlanta, a deeper dark horse, could come out of no where and trade Matty Ice and boatloads of picks. But Demitrov was more of a gambler with trading away draft capital (ie trading up for Julio Jones) and it remains to be seen what Fontenot will want to do.

Is Miami an option? AFC team. Media and fans are speculating but I have seen ZERO actual rumblings/insider tips stating that Miami is seriously discussing trading Tua for Watson.

Colts are a contender, but an AFC team. And I really don’t see Watson waiving his no trade clause to go there, they don’t have a ton of star power.

The Rams are a possibility, with Goff perhaps being on the block, good skill players and a dominant defense.

Panthers could be a contender. NFC team. They could offer Bridgewater, but other than McCaffrey, I don’t see any strong reason for Watson to want to go there.

49ers are a strong contender. NFC team. They could offer Garoppolo, have good skill players on offense and Shan-wow runs a QB friendly offense.

With all this said, I think there are a lot of teams that may be interested, but not a lot of teams Watson I want to go to.

With a limited list of teams that A) Watson would be willing to be traded to OR B) are willing to give up Houston’s most likely gong to be asking, that leaves:

the Washington Football team as the top prospect. Watson is pissed off with the good old boy mentality in Houston. WFT has the most diverse staff in the league. Check. Young core of talented up and coming players in both sides of the ball. Great offensive skills position players. Check. Dominant defense. Check. Tom’s of cap space. Check.

Deshaun Watson. Come on down to our nation’s capitol. The football’s fine.

If you really want Watson, you're going to have give up some of that young talent and no I don't mean CY but maybe a combination of players and picks.

2021#1 (19)
Sweat, Payne or Allen...not all three but a combination of any two.
2022#1

Yes I think it will be a combination of three to four # 1's for Watson or a player of equal caliber .For who ever the team is.



Oh,.........and never leave out the Cowboys.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Giantone

If you really want Warson, you're going to have give up some of that young talent and no I don't mean CY but maybe a combination of players and picks.

2021#1 (11)
Sweat, Payne or Allen...not all three but a combination of any two.
2022#1

Yes I think it will be a combination of three to four # 1's for Watson or a player of equal caliber .For who ever the team is.



Oh,.........and never leave out the Cowboys.

I’d never do this. Someone will overpay to get Watson and I hope it isn’t us. I’d rather build through the draft and some smart FA signings - and they need not be splashy (eg, Logan Thomas, McKissic, Darby) to be effective. I wouldn’t be averse to Stafford, but I wouldn’t overpay there either. Pick 19 - yeah, probably but not much more than that.


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[skinsfan69]

Watson probably isn't going anywhere. Too difficult to move a player like that. Too many variables.

IMO Watson is acting like a baby. You just got paid. Do your damn job. Yeah the owner said one thing and did another. Deal w/ it. You don't own the team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

If you really want Warson, you're going to have give up some of that young talent and no I don't mean CY but maybe a combination of players and picks.

2021#1 (11)
Sweat, Payne or Allen...not all three but a combination of any two.
2022#1

Yes I think it will be a combination of three to four # 1's for Watson or a player of equal caliber .For who ever the team is.



Oh,.........and never leave out the Cowboys.

No one is stupid enough to do this. Not even Dan Snyder.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watson probably isn't going anywhere. Too difficult to move a player like that. Too many variables.

IMO Watson is acting like a baby. You just got paid. Do your damn job. Yeah the owner said one thing and did another. Deal w/ it. You don't own the team.

That might be what pushed Watson to request for the trade, but I think it's more than that. The FO and team are mess - they are not doing good job of building the team.. Even Andre Johnson, a long time Texans and pretty good WR said he regretted for not trying to go to a different team because the FO do not know what they are doing.

[skinsfan69]

Why would Miami trade for Watson when they just drafted Tua?

Watson can request a trade, doesn't mean it is going to happen.

He most likely plays for the Texans or sits at home and gives up millions.