Coronavirus (political)

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Imagine where the American worker would be today without unions?


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True, but for the most part they have outlived their usefulness. There are lots of regulations and laws that protect workers now, that weren't around in the distant past.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

True, but for the most part they have outlived their usefulness. There are lots of regulations and laws that protect workers now, that weren't around in the distant past.

True but those "laws and regulations" are there becuase of Unions and they work becuase Companies afraid of Unions agree to those Laws and protections .dump Unions and the laws protecting workers die off.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Also no one should be paid more to stay home than to work. Plenty of stories where part timers and low hourly wage workers made more to stay home because of the added $600 fed money a week + state benefits. Business owners got loans to open back up and the employees were angered and did not want to go back to work.

My step-mother works/worked in medical billing for a local eye doctor & surgery center. When they closed down, she signed up for the special unemployment. Now, the surgery center is slated to open on May 18th. She was contacted last week and told them that she was not coming back, because she was making more on unemployment.

Is this a state by state thing? Because i would think as a layman, if your company opens back up, and you choose to not return to your job, is it right that you still get unemployment benefits even though you are now choosing to remain unemployed over going back to your job?

Her and I disagree on this. I think it should only be for the people who truly cannot work because their companies closed down.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

My step-mother works/worked in medical billing for a local eye doctor & surgery center. When they closed down, she signed up for the special unemployment. Now, the surgery center is slated to open on May 18th. She was contacted last week and told them that she was not coming back, because she was making more on unemployment.

Is this a state by state thing? Because i would think as a layman, if your company opens back up, and you choose to not return to your job, is it right that you still get unemployment benefits even though you are now choosing to remain unemployed over going back to your job?

Her and I disagree on this. I think it should only be for the people who truly cannot work because their companies closed down.

I only know California unemployment rules from 10 years prior and before as that is where I worked for others and had my own employees. In Virginia I have no concern for them as I am not an employee in the official sense, nor do I have employees. Anyway in California not returning if called back from lay-off is considered a voluntary quit making you ineligible for unemployment. I believe most states are that way. I think the feds may continue to pay her until the end of June or whatever it was. She is going to regret her decision. When her unemployment runs out jobs are going to be hard to come by. The fallout from changes in people's spending habits are going to make things worse than they are now for a long, long time.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

My step-mother works/worked in medical billing for a local eye doctor & surgery center. When they closed down, she signed up for the special unemployment. Now, the surgery center is slated to open on May 18th. She was contacted last week and told them that she was not coming back, because she was making more on unemployment.

Is this a state by state thing? Because i would think as a layman, if your company opens back up, and you choose to not return to your job, is it right that you still get unemployment benefits even though you are now choosing to remain unemployed over going back to your job?

Her and I disagree on this. I think it should only be for the people who truly cannot work because their companies closed down.

This here is the moral hazard that comes with paying too high a rate for unemployment.

Of course, it simultaneously says that the minimum wage needs to be raised, because someone at some point determined that what she's getting from unemployment is their best guess at the minimum needed.

[MTK]

Generally speaking if you turn down employment the benefits end. You have to be ready and able to work to receive unemployment.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Generally speaking if you turn down employment the benefits end. You have to be ready and able to work to receive unemployment.

Just skimming the rules it appears that $600 federal money is just a bonus on top of the state unemployment, so receiving it becomes dependent on eligibility for state unemployment. So refusing to return to work should kill both state and fed benefits.

[SunnySide]

I believe there are State by State waivers or watered down "look for work requirements". In Maryland I think as long as you are saying youre working on your resume and things like that, you check the "actively looking for work" box.

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Re money going to people still employed or not financially impacted ...

I still get paid the same and I do want people and families who truly need it to get money. The guy who owns and runs the little lunch shop in my office building, he had to close down bc no one was going in. I cant imagine what he is going through and tons of people similar to him.

at the same time .. there are people who werent working and doing anything with their life before this and if they are going to get a damn tax funded check ... i want my tax funded check.

[Chico23231]

Been interesting to see far left and right echo “police state” tactics will not be tolerated by governors across the country

[sdskinsfan2001]

In hindsight, I wish Trump came out as soon as possible and put a 2-3 month federal shutdown on things.

That doesn't block individual states doing what is right for them locally. I love me some 10th amendment. But that would have allowed for shutting down international flights and out of state flights. Local governments would get to make assessments for what is best for them while federally, some risks got mitigated.

But at the same time I can see why he tried to keep things more short term and positive. I mean look at the 22+ million people out of work. And its only gonna get worse. IMO we're only at the tip of the iceberg of the economic destruction COVID-19 is gonna cause. We're all lucky we live in the best country in the world. Don't care if it's during Obama, Trump, Carter, etc. Us citizens make this country the 🐐, not any politician.

Whether people want to admit it or not there is a balance between some people dying and another depression. I don't know what the line is and it probably differs from person to person, but there is a line.

Hindsight is always 20/20. This is a once in a generation (at most) thing that is happening. There is no perfect solution. And we'll never know how many Americans were infected before anyone knew the world Coronavirus.

Wish we were all less into blaming and/or being defensive. But easier said than done nowadays (myself 100% included).

Hope everyone is staying safe. God bless!

[Chico23231]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/u...-outbreak.html

Travel from New York City seeded wave of U.S. outbreaks

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...u-s-outbreaks/

The findings are drawn from geneticists’ tracking signature mutations of the virus, travel histories of infected people and models of the outbreak by infectious disease experts.

“We now have enough data to feel pretty confident that New York was the primary gateway for the rest of the country,” said Nathan Grubaugh, an epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health.

The central role of New York’s outbreak shows that decisions made by state and federal officials — including waiting to impose distancing measures and to limit international flights — helped shape the trajectory of the outbreak and allowed it to grow in the rest of the country.

The city joins other densely populated urban hot spots around the world, starting with Wuhan, China, and then Milan, that have become vectors for the virus’s spread.

[Chico23231]

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/15/vir...t-checks-phase

Some employers have worried it will be difficult to convince workers to return to low-wage jobs because Congress approved an extra $600 a week for unemployed workers through July 31.

My line cooks are making $960 a week on unemployment and none of them want to come back because I can’t pay them that. I don’t blame them,” restaurant owner and chef Joe Sparatta told the Richmond Times-Dispatch earlier this month.

These stories are common across the country...people don’t want to work because they rather collect unemployment and sit on their lazy ass

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/15/vir...t-checks-phase

Some employers have worried it will be difficult to convince workers to return to low-wage jobs because Congress approved an extra $600 a week for unemployed workers through July 31.

My line cooks are making $960 a week on unemployment and none of them want to come back because I can’t pay them that. I don’t blame them,” restaurant owner and chef Joe Sparatta told the Richmond Times-Dispatch earlier this month.

These stories are common across the country...people don’t want to work because they rather collect unemployment and sit on their lazy ass

Maybe the main point here should be wages are too low to begin with

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Maybe the main point here should be wages are too low to begin with

Don’t straw-man it.

[MTK]

Just saying, there's a bigger argument here