2024 Commanders Off-Season Thread

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by mooby

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

Bottom line, he inherited a shitty roster and FA’s and was expected to create a miracle. Joe quit to save his reputation, he gave in to Snyders desperation and shouldn’t have.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

Gibbs was the only coach where I believe that Snyder never meddled in football personnel decisions.

[skinsnut]

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

Also, Gibbs was recommending Rivera to f*cking Dan Snyder, not to a competent owner.

Not to take away from the fact that Rivera royally f*cked up this year, but in the first three years with Snyder, no coach (except Gibbs) was going to be succesful.

People forget that Ron's hire and the whole notion of "him being in charge" was just another ruse by Snyder, since he knew everything was collapsing around him.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

He’s best coaching was after ST was killed and made the playoffs with Todd Collins at QB.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I don’t think anyone is bashing Gibbs I don’t think it is a fallacy to say there are people I would prefer Harris to confide in with a GM/HC search

[SFREDSKIN]

Hire a GM
Hire a HC
Trade down a few spots, get an additional haul of picks
Draft Penix
Build the roster with the rest of the picks and FA

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

You think Joe coached better during his 2nd run here than he did during the SB years? C'mon. He didn't even run the offense in 06 and 07.

[jamf]

You really want to draft Greg Oden at QB?
4/5 college seasons ended with major injuries, both knees and shoulders blown out!
He hit the superfecta of injuries.

No doubt the guy can play but his injury history scares me away.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...4200aa707f2876


“The best ability is availability”
Bill Parcells

[That Guy]

the gibbs roster wasn't that bad. he chose brunell, so, that part is 100% on him. brunell "won" a playoff game with 25 total yards passing and an interception.

he did good, we got to the playoffs 2/4 years, which, you know, is success around here.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I have no issues with Gibbs & Harris having conversations. Think we may be making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by jamf

You really want to draft Greg Oden at QB?
4/5 college seasons ended with major injuries, both knees and shoulders blown out!
He hit the superfecta of injuries.

No doubt the guy can play but his injury history scares me away.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...4200aa707f2876


“The best ability is availability”
Bill Parcells

Preach jamf. Idc how good a player is if he can't stay healthy.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I have no issues with Gibbs & Harris having conversations. Think we may be making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

Ah so just a regular Monday on the boards eh?

[HTTR]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I have no issues with Gibbs & Harris having conversations. Think we may be making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

Seriously. Gibbs is a leader of men, a winner, and a righteous, humble human being. The idea that Harris could be getting taken down some wrong path by Gibbs at this juncture in their lives is ridiculous. Harris was a 30-year old fan of the team when Gibbs started winning here. Of course he relishes every chance he can get to talk to Gibbs, who is 83 and not going to be around forever.


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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Football is not a 21st century sport, if you know football, you know football.

Sorry to say, you are more wrong about that than you realize. Analytics is so integrated with coaching today that football may as well have been invented in the 21st Century. Analytics is based on facts which have disproved many traditional assumptions about game management, player acquisitions and more. Furthermore, it is clear that the new owners intend to move forward with implementing a strong analytics role within the football operations side of the business.