Statement Win! Commanders Victory Post Game Thread

[skinsnut]

Regarding the D, yes it is not good, however, I don't not see disasterous blown coverages or players confused. Yes, they missed 2 yard gain tackles that turned into 10, but it looks like the defense actually knew where they were supposed to be for the first time in over a year. It is one thing when you have lower talent AND are confused, it is another time know where you are supposed to be, but are just lower talent. What do you do in this case? Well, the goal would be to minimize explosive plays and force field goals, or hope a team self destructs on offensive penalties. The truth is our defensive talent is just now understanding the scheme and our staff is still testing out who should be a starter in the secondary, DE, and even tackle. So yeah, the d hasn't forced punts the last 2 games while they are figuring that side out, but just think, we WON those 2 games when the defense is just now learning to play together. I expect the defense to start forcing punts and causing a few turnovers in a months time. Be patient, they are now at least in proper position to compete on defense. Just think, Percy Butler is playing a lot, who saw that? They are seriously tinkering in the basics before they try any trickery. They won, twice! While learning. Yay Yay YAY!

[mredskins]

isn't this team very similar to JD5's lsu team last year, all O no D

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by punch it in

That was an absolute gem. Completely took me by surprise and still cannot believe it. We still cannot stop the run which puzzles me. Also our secondary is poor. Our defense is clearly a work in progress.

How bout our O line though? Obviously JD is good, but we all new that, but the O line…wow. Have not seen a quarterback with that much time since the Hogs. I was really down on Kingsbury but he was on fire tonight and the offense is buying what he is selling. I will be smiling bout this all week.

Also I hope Ekeler is back sooner than later. He is has been an intricate part of our O. 116 all purpose yards tonight before the injury?

I think the reason we are having trouble stopping the run is two fold . . . first, we are too worried about our secondary and so we keep more defenders back to help that . . . then, not sure why, but our tacking sucks. So many missed tackles. I think Payne had like 4 last night.

[skinsnut]

This is only a guess, but I bet both DTs are being doubled as there is no real pass rush threat. I would drop 5 in coverage too. Frankly think we need all 3 DTs out there all the time, although many are dogging them. I bet they are simply outnumbered. Just look at who makes tackles, it seems lbs are leading this. That sounds like our dts are functioning as space eaters at the moment with just 2 and no other threat

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

" He just woke up Washington nation" - Troy Aikman on Daniels. :-)

actually He just woke up cowboys fans!

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

I think the reason we are having trouble stopping the run is two fold . . . first, we are too worried about our secondary and so we keep more defenders back to help that . . . then, not sure why, but our tacking sucks. So many missed tackles. I think Payne had like 4 last night.

Yes if one of the links is broken the chain doesn’t work right, but I think our very expensive DT group needs to step it up regardless.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

actually He just woke up cowboys fans!

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Time to give em all the finger, no matter old lady or not.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes if one of the links is broken the chain doesn’t work right, but I think our very expensive DT group needs to step it up regardless.

agreed with that 100% . . . but they are both getting doubled continuously while our edge defenders are sometimes being handled by RB's and TE's rather easily. If we were better on the outside it would certainly help them out a bit in the middle. But that is no excuse for the missed tackles like Payne had yesterday, i think i counted 3 or 4 on him that ended up in first down runs. That should not be happening!

[Defensewins]

The defense will come around. This coaching staff will mold these defensive players. It takes a little time and the trust of the players to believe if they play like they are told it will get better.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The defense will come around. This coaching staff will mold these defensive players. It takes a little time and the trust of the players to believe if they play like they are told it will get better.

I want to see more of the rookie DE Javontae Jean-Baptiste. He flashed last night.

Also, use Quan Martin and Chin to move up as blitzers against the QB.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The defense will come around. This coaching staff will mold these defensive players. It takes a little time and the trust of the players to believe if they play like they are told it will get better.

Agree with this. Look at Dallas' defense now without Quinn. Enormous dropoff. Just hope Quinn has the dogs on this defense to make it this year. Allen and Payne need to step up, double teamed or not. I want to see more Johnny Newton.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Agree with this. Look at Dallas' defense now without Quinn. Enormous dropoff. Just hope Quinn has the dogs on this defense to make it this year. Allen and Payne need to step up, double teamed or not. I want to see more Johnny Newton.

I was saying in the gameday thread, we just dont have a consistent pass rusher, once we get that the rest of the defense will fall into place, there isnt a good defense in the history of the league that didnt have some type of consistent pass rush

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I was saying in the gameday thread, we just dont have a consistent pass rusher, once we get that the rest of the defense will fall into place, there isnt a good defense in the history of the league that didnt have some type of consistent pass rush

we had some years without great DEs (gibbs 2'ish). It's a lot harder to do it that way, but we had a really good back 7 back then (i.e. shawn springs playing amazing at cut rate prices, before he started missing a lot of time here, etc). Renaldo wynn started 63 games and had 8 sacks, phillip daniels had 15 in 66 starts (8 in 1 year) - jaw-dropping numbers.

memory lane, I kinda forgot just how long london fletcher played here:
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...F/FletLo20.htm

more of that please.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I was saying in the gameday thread, we just dont have a consistent pass rusher, once we get that the rest of the defense will fall into place, there isnt a good defense in the history of the league that didnt have some type of consistent pass rush

Secondary, especially, corners need to be upgraded also. Imagine Sauce Gardner and TJ Watt on this defense. Watt had 19 sacks last year! Either way, I trust Quinn and Whitt to get the defense fixed. Hard to not be happy with the offense so far.

[HTTR]

I’m really glad to see this discussion of our d in the context of coaching and player development. True, having an outstanding player like Aaron Donald can have a big impact, but the thinking in the Snyder era was only that, with lousy execution (Forbes)— just fill the d with college all-stars, including “generational” talent Chase Young, and problem solved.

Having a crap GM and crap coaching staff was the problem, and we’re right to believe the new regime will get this sorted out. And it won’t necessarily involve day one draft picks. It’s all about getting solid-enough players who are coached well and communicate well with each other on the field. A bunch of them may already be on the roster. The others will get replaced quickly.


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