WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[Number44]

Originally Posted by sevier2

And there's a reason for that. He's demonstrably worse than Stafford.

2020 Stafford :

16 Games. 5-11 Record. 64.2 Completion Percentage. 4084 Yards. 7.7 Yards/Attempt. 26 TDs. 10 Ints. 112 Rush Yards. 0 Rush TDs.


2020 Carr:

16 Games. 8-8 Record. 67.3 Completion Percentage. 4103 Yards. 7.9 Yards/Attempt. 27 TDs. 9 Ints. 140 Rush yards. 3 Rush TDs.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Number44

2020 Stafford :

16 Games. 5-11 Record. 64.2 Completion Percentage. 4084 Yards. 7.7 Yards/Attempt. 26 TDs. 10 Ints. 112 Rush Yards. 0 Rush TDs.


2020 Carr:

16 Games. 8-8 Record. 67.3 Completion Percentage. 4103 Yards. 7.9 Yards/Attempt. 27 TDs. 9 Ints. 140 Rush yards. 3 Rush TDs.

Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let's be real, any half decent qb is gonna cost us a lot of cap space.



If we could get Dak without giving up any draft picks - that would be the dream scenario. Everybody else we're looking at giving up picks or a player for, and then having to deal with the cap on top of it.

Dak is holding out around the franchise tag. He is going to be looking for top dollar ala Cousins. Stafford may want a decent payday but nothing that i know of him says he will be a difficult signer if he wants to come here.

Could be a difference of 10 million on the cap

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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let's be real, any half decent qb is gonna cost us a lot of cap space.

If we could get Dak without giving up any draft picks - that would be the dream scenario. Everybody else we're looking at giving up picks or a player for, and then having to deal with the cap on top of it.

Agreed. I'd much rather sign a FA, and he's the best one.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by mooby

Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.

Stafford:

12 Years. 31 4th Quarter Comebacks. 38 Game-Winning Drives (4 in 2020, 7 in last 3 years.)


Carr:

7 Years. 21 4th Quarter Comebacks. 24 Game-Winning Drives ( 5 in 2020. 11 in last 3 years.)

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.

Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Number44

Stafford:

12 Years. 31 4th Quarter Comebacks. 38 Game-Winning Drives (4 in 2020, 7 in last 3 years.)


Carr:

7 Years. 21 4th Quarter Comebacks. 24 Game-Winning Drives ( 5 in 2020. 11 in last 3 years.)

Well played, I stand corrected. I've just never heard Carr get the love for being a 2 min. drill king like Stafford has.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.

Definitely true, but in a league where there is more demand for qb's than there is supply I think even Jon Gruden wouldn't give him away cheap.

Everything depends on the price.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Definitely true, but in a league where there is more demand for qb's than there is supply I think even Jon Gruden wouldn't give him away cheap.

Everything depends on the price.

Yep. We might have a better chance at Carr than Stafford. And Gruden has been reported as saying he’d rather have Mariotta so.....🤷*♂️

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Absolutely. Could end up with a Josh Doctson at #19...

The #19 pick for Stafford would be a no-brainer.

If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.
And it will take more than #19.
Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.
I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.

So four years from now, do we have:

(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.
Or a QB that retired.

Such short term thinking. People never learn.
Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.
The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.
Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.
Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.

[skinsfan69]

Are the Raiders shopping Carr? That would surprise me if they were.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by mredskins

agree but stafford eats up a lot cap space too.

i don't want any of our current QB's starting next year, bad QB play hinders everyone's development.

I also agree with the folks that are saying we are not just a QB away from being a contender.

I think if you make a play on stafford you got go out and get some more weapons specifically TE and WR.

And then we maybe win a wildcard and nothing more, and in 2-3 years we need a QB again. You build through the draft. The players we should be signing in FA if possible are the lower cost players, MLB, FS, TE, and not the highest priced of those. Our FA may choose to address WR both ways, draft and FA, but lot of guys coming off injury makes it dicey.

You win in the NFL long term by treating draft picks like gold and acquiring gobs of young talent with them. If anything, we should be trading down and acquiring MORE picks, not squandering them on guys near end of career.

Stafford has taken a BEATING. He isn't playing until 40 like some other guys. So incredibly short sighted to trade for him. We should commit to finding a franchise QB in the draft, period, without a massive tradeup that mortgages the future ridiculously.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.

Gruden may be overrated, but he is a solid offensive mind, who won a SB, and was the youngest coach to ever do so at the time. His offensives have generally been solid. That doesn't mean I think he is Vince Lombardi. Another example of a very good, at times great, coach that should never be given GM powers. You could honestly draw parallels between RR and Gruden. RR has never won a SB, despite having some VERY stacked teams, and is known as a players coach rather than a brilliant mind. At least the year Gruden was given a stacked team he won the damn SB! RR didn't. I like RR, but just being real. If you have a real GM who controls personnel, Gruden can be a good but not consistently great coach. It is rare to have a good ending when coach given absolute personnel power, and this does not bode well for RR era.

I think we hired Hurney because he's RR's buddy, and Mayhew because a Redskin and African American because THE DAN is being advised to be exemplary with all female minority hirings to make his other discrimination and sexism problems go away. I don't think either hiring was about objectively finding the most brilliant talent evaluator, and that is the primary job of GM, to bring in talent. Thus if we are not being homers, while the Skins should be much improved, we won't sniff a SB under RR. We don't have talented enough GMs and are ousting the only prodigy talent evaluator we have.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Gruden may be overrated, but he is a solid offensive mind, who won a SB, and was the youngest coach to ever do so at the time. His offensives have generally been solid. That doesn't mean I think he is Vince Lombardi. Another example of a very good, at times great, coach that should never be given GM powers. You could honestly draw parallels between RR and Gruden. RR has never won a SB, despite having some VERY stacked teams, and is known as a players coach rather than a brilliant mind. At least the year Gruden was given a stacked team he won the damn SB! RR didn't. I like RR, but just being real. If you have a real GM who controls personnel, Gruden can be a good but not consistently great coach. It is rare to have a good ending when coach given absolute personnel power, and this does not bode well for RR era.

I think we hired Hurney because he's RR's buddy, and Mayhew because a Redskin and African American because THE DAN is being advised to be exemplary with all female minority hirings to make his other discrimination and sexism problems go away. I don't think either hiring was about objectively finding the most brilliant talent evaluator, and that is the primary job of GM, to bring in talent. Thus if we are not being homers, while the Skins should be much improved, we won't sniff a SB under RR. We don't have talented enough GMs and are ousting the only prodigy talent evaluator we have.

Yeah but it was a stacked team with Tony Dungy’s players whom he immediately got rid of and they got worse just about every year he was there until he was fired.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.

And it will take more than #19.

Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.

I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.



So four years from now, do we have:



(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.

Or a QB that retired.



Such short term thinking. People never learn.

Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.

The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.

Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.

Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.

Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

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