When is Enough ,Enough?

punch it in · 05-09-2018, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

again wow.

Let me make a few other things very clear.
1) Im extremely happy three people are free. All innocent people in the world should be.
2) i have said forever that Presidents are just figure heads. (Especially this one.) So Ill always pump the brakes hard before I give them credit for decisions that would have been made regardless of who is in office.
3) I hate Donald Trump because he is a lying scum. He colluded his way into office and now spends his time lying to the World (like he has for years) on the grandest of stages. Policy is a party thing not a President thing. This guy is just a loud ass blow horn for the Republicans- a total idiot of a puppet.

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Chico23231 · 05-09-2018, 03:21 PM

Great job by the President securing the release of these 3 hostages. Hopefully he continues to push North Korea towards De-nuclearizing the peninsula. Fairly clear to everyone with a brain that without the Presidents aggressive policy, especially the most aggressive sanctions N Korea has ever faced, this would have never taken place.

The administration was actually satellite tracking N Korea ships all over the world and then banning them from ports. This also included the banning of some Chinese ships which were involved in trade against the latest sanctions.

So the administration also pressured China to get N Korea to come to the table with not only this topic but also using our own trade policy against them.

Clearly without the aggressive policy applied by this administration, we would not be where we are today.

While we have a ways to go, we should all be hoping for a North Korea without Nuclear Weapons. But unfortunately, I see we still have folks who are too stupid to see this...

punch it in · 05-09-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Great job by the President securing the release of these 3 hostages. Hopefully he continues to push North Korea towards De-nuclearizing the peninsula. Fairly clear to everyone with a brain that without the Presidents aggressive policy, especially the most aggressive sanctions N Korea has ever faced, this would have never taken place.

The administration was actually satellite tracking N Korea ships all over the world and then banning them from ports. This also included the banning of some Chinese ships which were involved in trade against the latest sanctions.

So the administration also pressured China to get N Korea to come to the table with not only this topic but also using our own trade policy against them.

Clearly without the aggressive policy applied by this administration, we would not be where we are today.

While we have a ways to go, we should all be hoping for a North Korea without Nuclear Weapons. But unfortunately, I see we still have folks who are too stupid to see this...

Did you copy and paste this from a Fox News columnist?

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punch it in · 05-09-2018, 03:28 PM

Even if that were all as honky dory as you think it is than give credit to the party like I said. Trump deserves about as much credit for any talk of denuclearization as Obama does for capturing Bin Laden. Less actually because Trump was to busy calling him names on Twitter to have had absolutely anything at all to do with any of it. Also for the last time Un has pulled this peace on earth bullshit before. But as soon as he launches his next rocket im sure the trumpers will find a way to blame Nancy Pelosi or Obama or Giant one or libtards or blah blah blah

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Chico23231 · 05-09-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Did you copy and paste this from a Fox News columnist?

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I hate Fox news and rarely turn it on...too biased for my taste.

punch it in · 05-09-2018, 03:50 PM

Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was.

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Giantone · 05-09-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Great job by the President securing the release of these 3 hostages..

What did he do,he hasn't put any pressure on China,actually it's the exact opposite South Korea had to go to the Chinese becuase trump won't do anything but aggravate the situation, his S of S quit becuase he was such an ass,so yes please give us specifics on exactly what trump did?

Chico23231 · 05-09-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

What did he do,he hasn't put any pressure on China,actually it's the exact opposite South Korea had to go to the Chinese becuase trump won't do anything but aggravate the situation, his S of S quit becuase he was such an ass,so yes please give us specifics on exactly what trump did?

G1, dude why are you so mad?

Giantone · 05-09-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was.

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Trump manage to do what everyone thought Iran would do, renege on a peace deal,again trump has thrown all our friends under the bus.

Giantone · 05-09-2018, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

G1, dude why are you so mad?

Dude???? It's obvious you have a lack of understanding of the real world,trump lives off of people such as yourself,he feeds off of ......the lack of understanding to put it nicely ,he feeds off your fear .

Giantone · 05-09-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

G1, dude why are you so mad?

trump makes this country and the office of the President look like shit,why shouldn't I be mad about that?

Giantone · 05-09-2018, 04:48 PM

Keep Laughing Chico.............

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apo...005741772.html

WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal will weaken U.S. relationships around the world and create problems that U.S. foreign policy will be grappling with for years, but it’s also a boon for the U.S. rival that American intelligence said helped Trump get elected: Russia.

Trump’s move will likely lead toward progress on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s two chief goals: splintering the U.S.-led alliance of democratic powers that currently dominates global affairs and fortifying Russia’s alternative network, which includes Iran and its partners across the Middle East.

A split between the U.S. and its three most powerful allies — France, Germany and the U.K. — was clear immediately after Trump’s announcement. The leaders of the latter three countries issued a joint statement expressing “regret and concern” and saying they want to sustain the Iran agreement, which promised Iran some freedom from international sanctions in exchange for limits on and guarantees of transparency about its nuclear development. They reiterated what Trump’s own military advisers and new secretary of state have said: Iran is abiding by the deal./news/trump-apos-iran-deal-exit-005741772.html

punch it in · 05-09-2018, 05:59 PM

How about the fact that two of these three prisoners were all arrested while Trump was spouting off at the pie hole and enraging Jong-un ? If I were one of them Id smack him right in his face when I got off the plane. Unreal. Dude throws a temper tantrum so Jong-un arrests three Americans and puts them through hell before returning them. And you guys want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Are you fucking kidding me?

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mooby · 05-09-2018, 06:47 PM

Cred, I am happy to give Trump partial credit for getting 3 Americans released from NK and peace talks advanced (but don't go giving him full credit, China/SK also deserve some) but at the same time, why don't we talk about the Iran deal and what specifically Trump has a problem with? In the last year gas prices in Woodbridge have gone from 2.20/gal to 2.80/gal, and this is just the precursor to even higher prices once summer rolls around and the shit pops off because we left the Iran deal. Now I know, who gives a shit about gas prices? I do, because I drive a lot. The raise in prices is only going to cut into the bump I got from the tax reform bill (which I'm not sure I got at all because the salary bump I got supposedly bumped me into the next tax bracket).

Now I don't know much, but I do know this. When my cost of living goes up as a direct result of his policies, it offsets however happy I am that peace in Korea finally seems feasible. I'm happy the 3 Americans are coming home too, but don't have much sympathy for them because everybody with half a brain knew it was a dangerous proposition visiting NK in any capacity as an American while hostilities were being thrown around.

And unless Trump starts spouting specifics about why the Iran deal is bad, I am happy to believe he only wanted out because it was an Obama deal. When everybody (including your own intelligence) says Iran was complying with the deal, I see no reason to back out. Now we can look forward to Iran bailing on the agreement too and all the negative reactions that will happen as a result of that.

CRedskinsRule · 05-09-2018, 07:26 PM

Like it or not, he ran, and won on getting out of the Iran deal. Gas always goes up during this time of the year due to the refineries changing blends, (and when the Republican candidate won, I told my friends we were headed back to the $4 gas days because that's what Republicans do. The shale/fracking industries needs higher gas prices) My company lives off of drivers driving, so yeah it sucks, but it was a lock when the Republicans won, regardless of the Iran deal.

Personally, I've always felt the US was strongest when it leads, and not was lead by the Europeans. I have a strong German background, but the Europeans as a continent are a weak ass people. They have lived under US umbrella for so long that they have forgotten why it was necessary in the first place, and when you get a president like Carter, and Obama who are social change creatures, the European socialists pounce, and bad treaties happen.

Here is a coherent discussion with a VOX (liberal media) reporter and Richard Goldberg, a supporter of ending the deal.
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/8/1...berg-interview

05-09-2018, 03:21 PM	#347
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,295	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Great job by the President securing the release of these 3 hostages. Hopefully he continues to push North Korea towards De-nuclearizing the peninsula. Fairly clear to everyone with a brain that without the Presidents aggressive policy, especially the most aggressive sanctions N Korea has ever faced, this would have never taken place. The administration was actually satellite tracking N Korea ships all over the world and then banning them from ports. This also included the banning of some Chinese ships which were involved in trade against the latest sanctions. So the administration also pressured China to get N Korea to come to the table with not only this topic but also using our own trade policy against them. Clearly without the aggressive policy applied by this administration, we would not be where we are today. While we have a ways to go, we should all be hoping for a North Korea without Nuclear Weapons. But unfortunately, I see we still have folks who are too stupid to see this...

05-09-2018, 03:28 PM	#349
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 53 Posts: 23,363	When is Enough ,Enough? Even if that were all as honky dory as you think it is than give credit to the party like I said. Trump deserves about as much credit for any talk of denuclearization as Obama does for capturing Bin Laden. Less actually because Trump was to busy calling him names on Twitter to have had absolutely anything at all to do with any of it. Also for the last time Un has pulled this peace on earth bullshit before. But as soon as he launches his next rocket im sure the trumpers will find a way to blame Nancy Pelosi or Obama or Giant one or libtards or blah blah blah Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

05-09-2018, 03:50 PM	#351
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 53 Posts: 23,363	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

05-09-2018, 04:48 PM	#357
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 13,903	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Keep Laughing Chico............. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apo...005741772.html WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal will weaken U.S. relationships around the world and create problems that U.S. foreign policy will be grappling with for years, but it’s also a boon for the U.S. rival that American intelligence said helped Trump get elected: Russia. Trump’s move will likely lead toward progress on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s two chief goals: splintering the U.S.-led alliance of democratic powers that currently dominates global affairs and fortifying Russia’s alternative network, which includes Iran and its partners across the Middle East. A split between the U.S. and its three most powerful allies — France, Germany and the U.K. — was clear immediately after Trump’s announcement. The leaders of the latter three countries issued a joint statement expressing “regret and concern” and saying they want to sustain the Iran agreement, which promised Iran some freedom from international sanctions in exchange for limits on and guarantees of transparency about its nuclear development. They reiterated what Trump’s own military advisers and new secretary of state have said: Iran is abiding by the deal./news/trump-apos-iran-deal-exit-005741772.html __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

05-09-2018, 05:59 PM	#358
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 53 Posts: 23,363	When is Enough ,Enough? How about the fact that two of these three prisoners were all arrested while Trump was spouting off at the pie hole and enraging Jong-un ? If I were one of them Id smack him right in his face when I got off the plane. Unreal. Dude throws a temper tantrum so Jong-un arrests three Americans and puts them through hell before returning them. And you guys want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Are you fucking kidding me? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

05-09-2018, 06:47 PM	#359
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,428	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Cred, I am happy to give Trump partial credit for getting 3 Americans released from NK and peace talks advanced (but don't go giving him full credit, China/SK also deserve some) but at the same time, why don't we talk about the Iran deal and what specifically Trump has a problem with? In the last year gas prices in Woodbridge have gone from 2.20/gal to 2.80/gal, and this is just the precursor to even higher prices once summer rolls around and the shit pops off because we left the Iran deal. Now I know, who gives a shit about gas prices? I do, because I drive a lot. The raise in prices is only going to cut into the bump I got from the tax reform bill (which I'm not sure I got at all because the salary bump I got supposedly bumped me into the next tax bracket). Now I don't know much, but I do know this. When my cost of living goes up as a direct result of his policies, it offsets however happy I am that peace in Korea finally seems feasible. I'm happy the 3 Americans are coming home too, but don't have much sympathy for them because everybody with half a brain knew it was a dangerous proposition visiting NK in any capacity as an American while hostilities were being thrown around. And unless Trump starts spouting specifics about why the Iran deal is bad, I am happy to believe he only wanted out because it was an Obama deal. When everybody (including your own intelligence) says Iran was complying with the deal, I see no reason to back out. Now we can look forward to Iran bailing on the agreement too and all the negative reactions that will happen as a result of that.

05-09-2018, 07:26 PM	#360
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,335	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Like it or not, he ran, and won on getting out of the Iran deal. Gas always goes up during this time of the year due to the refineries changing blends, (and when the Republican candidate won, I told my friends we were headed back to the $4 gas days because that's what Republicans do. The shale/fracking industries needs higher gas prices) My company lives off of drivers driving, so yeah it sucks, but it was a lock when the Republicans won, regardless of the Iran deal. Personally, I've always felt the US was strongest when it leads, and not was lead by the Europeans. I have a strong German background, but the Europeans as a continent are a weak ass people. They have lived under US umbrella for so long that they have forgotten why it was necessary in the first place, and when you get a president like Carter, and Obama who are social change creatures, the European socialists pounce, and bad treaties happen. Here is a coherent discussion with a VOX (liberal media) reporter and Richard Goldberg, a supporter of ending the deal. https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/8/1...berg-interview Last edited by CRedskinsRule; 05-09-2018 at 10:38 PM.

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