Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available

[CRedskinsRule]

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

22 quarterbacks were drafted in the first round between 2009 and 2016. None of the them remain on the team that drafted them. Zee. Row.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

That is C R A Z Y ! ! !

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

Which is why you take the proven stud QB over a rookie all day every day

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Which is why you take the proven stud QB over a rookie all day every day

Amen.

[SFREDSKIN]

The 49ers had offered 2 2nds and 2 3rds for Stafford.

https://heavy.com/sports/san-francis...N7CgGEin0n2RgI

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

Misleading stat.
Lets look at the best starting QBs in the NFL. This is not necessarily in ranked order:

On team that drafted them:
Mahomes
Rodgers
Mayfield
Jackson
Allen
Roethlisraper
Wilson
Mayfield
Carr
Watson
Herbert
Murray
Ryan

Another team:
Tannehill
Fitzpatrick
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Goff
Bridgewater
Cousins
Rivers

This list could be much longer, but you get the point.
Most all of the great QBs are on team that drafted them.
Only exception is Brady, who won all his SBs on team that drafted him.
Brees was 27 when signed by Saints, and they did not trade picks for him.
Neither did TB trade picks for Brady.
Virtually every elite QB in the NFL is on the team that drafted them, and won their SBs on the team that drafted them, and the only exception is Brees who no one traded 3 1st round picks for at age 3x. The reason is simple: teams don't let true franchise QB get away. In general, the golden rule is that if you can trade for a QB, he probably isn't a franchise QB.

Now let's look at every QB who won 2+ SBs in the salary cap era, assuming that is our goal. Brady, Eli Manning, Roethlisraper, Young/Aikman (right on edge of salary cap era), Elway, P. Manning is the only QB to do it 2 different teams, and Denver won it in spite of him. Mahomes will probably be on that list at some point.

1 SB winners include Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Brees, etc., all on team drafted them. There are a few guys who won on team not drafted by, Dilfer, Johnson, Foles played for other teams before coming back to Eagles. 2-3 exceptions in entire salary cap era, and most all the great dynasties won with single QB they drafted and developed.

If the goal here is to win multiple SBs, the path is clear. You draft a QB. You develop him. Mahomes sat a year. Rodgers sat several. Brady sat several. Getting a true franchise QB isn't usually an instant gratification proposition. Like anything truly worth attaining, it takes commitment in draft and in development. Teams don't let true franchise QBs go voluntarily, with Brees being the only notable exception on the list, and obviously Brady who wanted out of NE. If a QB is available for trade or in FA, he is usually by definition not a franchise QB, as no team voluntarily surrenders one. EVER. Brady and Brees are only two exceptions in quarter century plus under salary cap, with caveats mentioned.

So all the people saying trying to draft a QB is folly, you are wrong, statistically speaking. Salary cap began in 1994, EVERY team won 2+ SBs drafted and developed the QB they won with. EVERY team that won SB since 1994 did so with QB drafted and developed, with exceptions of Warner, Dilfer, Johnson. Most people would say Dilfer and Johnson SBs won in spite of them or without dominant QB play, and that was BEFORE rule changes favoring passing absurdly and limiting practice so much that continuity in a system becomes HUGE advantage. That leaves one serious outlier, Warner. 23/26 SBs won by teams that drafted and developed, 88.5%, and 100% of teams who won 2+ SBs.

But yeah, let's trade 27 1st round picks for Watson, or Stafford, or whoever. Anyone wonder why teams who made the big name trades for retread QBs aren't on this list, for 2+ SBs especially? Even assuming the QBs produced? Because they had a short windows with the older QBs but not the resources to assemble a competitive team around them because they traded all those picks away, so couldn't get over the hump. Dynasties in the NFL are built through the draft, period.

So the question is, which QB do we draft without trading up?

[EdmundDorf]

Future draft picks are usually considered as equal to a round later of the current years picks, that's why you so often see a trade of this years second for next years first. On top of that, with Stafford the Rams picks are likely to be be very late in the first round now. And on top of that they are taking on Goffs contract. To my mind the 19th pick this year is worth more than what they got, but I think in the end Stafford wanted to go there and that is the point. WFT still has a bad reputation in the eyes of many, if you think one of the premier wide outs is coming here without an established QB you are dreaming, unless the only thing they are looking for is to make the most money

[sdskinsfan2001]

Scalper, can you stop writing novels on 90% of your post? Fuck me, even if I agree with 100% of your post, I need to live my life.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Misleading stat.
Lets look at the best starting QBs in the NFL. This is not necessarily in ranked order:

On team that drafted them:
Mahomes
Rodgers
Mayfield
Jackson
Allen
Roethlisraper
Wilson
Mayfield
Carr
Watson
Herbert
Murray
Ryan

Another team:
Tannehill
Fitzpatrick
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Goff
Bridgewater
Cousins
Rivers

This list could be much longer, but you get the point.
Most all of the great QBs are on team that drafted them.
Only exception is Brady, who won all his SBs on team that drafted him.
Brees was 27 when signed by Saints, and they did not trade picks for him.
Neither did TB trade picks for Brady.
Virtually every elite QB in the NFL is on the team that drafted them, and won their SBs on the team that drafted them, and the only exception is Brees who no one traded 3 1st round picks for at age 3x. The reason is simple: teams don't let true franchise QB get away. In general, the golden rule is that if you can trade for a QB, he probably isn't a franchise QB.

Now let's look at every QB who won 2+ SBs in the salary cap era, assuming that is our goal. Brady, Eli Manning, Roethlisraper, Young/Aikman (right on edge of salary cap era), Elway, P. Manning is the only QB to do it 2 different teams, and Denver won it in spite of him. Mahomes will probably be on that list at some point.

1 SB winners include Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Brees, etc., all on team drafted them. There are a few guys who won on team not drafted by, Dilfer, Johnson, Foles played for other teams before coming back to Eagles. 2-3 exceptions in entire salary cap era, and most all the great dynasties won with single QB they drafted and developed.

If the goal here is to win multiple SBs, the path is clear. You draft a QB. You develop him. Mahomes sat a year. Rodgers sat several. Brady sat several. Getting a true franchise QB isn't usually an instant gratification proposition. Like anything truly worth attaining, it takes commitment in draft and in development. Teams don't let true franchise QBs go voluntarily, with Brees being the only notable exception on the list, and obviously Brady who wanted out of NE. If a QB is available for trade or in FA, he is usually by definition not a franchise QB, as no team voluntarily surrenders one. EVER. Brady and Brees are only two exceptions in quarter century plus under salary cap, with caveats mentioned.

So all the people saying trying to draft a QB is folly, you are wrong, statistically speaking. Salary cap began in 1994, EVERY team won 2+ SBs drafted and developed the QB they won with. EVERY team that won SB since 1994 did so with QB drafted and developed, with exceptions of Warner, Dilfer, Johnson. Most people would say Dilfer and Johnson SBs won in spite of them or without dominant QB play, and that was BEFORE rule changes favoring passing absurdly and limiting practice so much that continuity in a system becomes HUGE advantage. That leaves one serious outlier, Warner. 23/26 SBs won by teams that drafted and developed, 88.5%, and 100% of teams who won 2+ SBs.

But yeah, let's trade 27 1st round picks for Watson, or Stafford, or whoever. Anyone wonder why teams who made the big name trades for retread QBs aren't on this list, for 2+ SBs especially? Even assuming the QBs produced? Because they had a short windows with the older QBs but not the resources to assemble a competitive team around them because they traded all those picks away, so couldn't get over the hump. Dynasties in the NFL are built through the draft, period.

So the question is, which QB do we draft without trading up?

Wait! Are you saying that we should draft our quarterback of the future, rather than trade for him? Are you sure?

[Giantone]

Stafford is a Ram and Geoff is a Lion + pics

[mredskins]

I am smiling if I am a Lions fan today, especially if Goff finds his own self.

The Rams might given up to much for a QB that old. That package is what I would thought it take to get Watson.

[SkinzWin]

I just want to know what we offered. All this cloak and dagger crap pisses me off. If your “source familiar with the situation” is able to tel you they offered more than LA, do a little investigative journalism and go a step further and ask, what was the offer?

Per @BenStandig

Washington made the Lions a significant offer for QB
Matthew Stafford, per sources. One person familiar with the situation said the WFT offer included more immediate help than what Lions landed. Detroit went another way. The search for a QB rolls on.

[GridIron26]

Two 1st round picks, one 3rd pick and Goff.. Man, imagine how much we would need to spend to trade for Watson if he is actually available..

Rams constantly mortgages their future for to win today and so far it hasn't paid dividends for the team. I love McVay but I'm not fan of his & Rams FO's strategy. Although, I have to admit, this time it might pay dividends since the QB was the position that held them back in 2020.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People need to realize that one of those first rounders was compensation for Detroit to take on Goff and his contract.

After reading more, you are right but that just essentially states just how mismanaged the Rams are...

Rams will still have to eat 22 million in dead cap this year do to Goff, which affects cap. And I’m not sure but believe any remaining prorated signing bonus that was spread out over the deal will be accelerated into next year...again affecting their cap.

Why they signed Goff to a mega deal is gross mismanagement and then to have to trade him away giving up a first rounder...makes bill O’Brien look genius. It’s the Mount Rushmore of mega mistakes by an org.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I just want to know what we offered. All this cloak and dagger crap pisses me off. If your “source familiar with the situation” is able to tel you they offered more than LA, do a little investigative journalism and go a step further and ask, what was the offer?

Per @BenStandig

Washington made the Lions a significant offer for QB
Matthew Stafford, per sources. One person familiar with the situation said the WFT offer included more immediate help than what Lions landed. Detroit went another way. The search for a QB rolls on.

I would interpret this as a first round pick this year and a solid defensive player like Montez Sweat or Payne...or maybe Landon Collins too?