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01-31-2018, 10:23 AM | #16 |
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Re: State of the Union tonight
G1, context only matters if it supports your argument. If it doesn't, you ignore it and just focus on the "true" portion.
Also, as everybody knows the day a President wins the election is the day you start giving him credit for all changes in the economy.
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01-31-2018, 10:30 AM | #17 | |
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Anything negative? Obama's fault!
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01-31-2018, 10:45 AM | #18 |
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Without going into the article point by point, when the fact checker says true but needs context that is the pure definition of media bias. Is the statement true, yes. You then want to write opeds on why the true statement doesnt jive with your world view that is also fine. But saying the economy gained x jobs doesnt need media spin in a "fact check" article, it's either true or false.
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01-31-2018, 10:47 AM | #19 |
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Hey I thought unemployment was more like 30 or 40%?? What happened to that? Oh now that it's on his watch the numbers are legit. Right.
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01-31-2018, 10:51 AM | #20 | |
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I don't have a problem with saying a statement is true, or false, or mostly true or mostly false, or even saying it's an exaggeration or a lie. Those all are evaluated statements of objective truths. But when you say it's true but let me explain why it isn't, then you are adding opinion and point of view thoughts that are better off in other articles, in my opinion. I would say the same when fact checking Pres. Obama's speeches |
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01-31-2018, 11:50 AM | #21 | |
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01-31-2018, 11:53 AM | #22 |
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My Bad I apologize.I was wondering becuase it wasn't done like that when President Obama was in Office.
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01-31-2018, 12:32 PM | #23 |
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Lotta winning last night
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01-31-2018, 12:40 PM | #24 | |
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Stormy Daniels Won’t Confirm Denying Trump Affair in Confusing Talk With Kimmel whole lotta nothing. But she is still smoking...I just might hit it. maybe
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01-31-2018, 12:46 PM | #25 |
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Hey why is my paycheck higher today? #TrumpTrumpTrump
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01-31-2018, 01:42 PM | #26 | |
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But we have a dumb electorate who craves being fed information in a fact check that belongs in the opinion portion. Are we going to fact check the fact checkers? And yes on the economy for example a lot of the cause for the growth is opinion based. No Trump doesn't get all the credit and Obama deserves credit leaving office with a stable economy, but there is a whole lot more to it then 1 or two paragraphs in a fact check article. |
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01-31-2018, 01:57 PM | #27 |
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A fact check is just about bringing a little reality to the situation, because we certainly have a President who lives in his own reality. And yes I know all Presidents tend to stretch the truth and bend figures to suit their agenda. I honestly don't see the big deal about offering context. There are rarely black and white answers to complex issues.
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01-31-2018, 02:25 PM | #28 |
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I'll ride that wave and hopefully it'll get restructured again before we start paying in. We take zero deductions and our tax person said that while we'll get more in our monthly take-home, we'll maybe start having to pay in. Like WTF?! We used to get $3500 per return (and yes, I know you're not supposed to give the government a tax-free loan).
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01-31-2018, 06:35 PM | #29 | |
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01-31-2018, 08:39 PM | #30 | |
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or.....Mr Kennedy was more truthful with his statements.
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