Ukraine mega thread

[Chico23231]

The un and European union better send in peacekeepers now because those Russian trooper will eat up any type of protestors. It's gonna get ugly

[CRedskinsRule]

Interesting and well written article on this. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsate...n-into-crimea/
Comments about Putin at the end are thought provoking.

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[Daseal]

The original issue started when the Ukrainian President refused a deal to join the EU in order to stay loyal to Russia. As you can see from previously posted maps, there's a pretty big divide in the country where allegiances lie.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine | Reuters










How could that douche bag even say that with a straight face?

Does anyone feel like the US has handled this well?

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[JoeRedskin]

No. I think Chico summed it up pretty well.

[JoeRedskin]

I wish the Ukrainians well. I hope significant, practical economic sanctions are imposed and that Putin chokes on this move.

Not one American soldier should need to shed blood for this. If the Europeans want peace and security in their backyard, let them send their sons to secure it.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I wish the Ukrainians well. I hope significant, practical economic sanctions are imposed and that Putin chokes on this move.

Not one American soldier should need to shed blood for this. If the Europeans want peace and security in their backyard, let them send their sons to secure it.

This is my stance also.

And to any thought that mentions UN peacekeepers....LOL

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I wish the Ukrainians well. I hope significant, practical economic sanctions are imposed and that Putin chokes on this move.

Not one American soldier should need to shed blood for this. If the Europeans want peace and security in their backyard, let them send their sons to secure it.

What if NATO sends peacekeepers? Are you saying the US should not support NATO or keep its obligations under both NATO and other international agreements?

[JoeRedskin]

If NATO responds we have to participate as required by the treaty.

It's a tough. My objection is more with the choices that put us into this Hobbesian choice.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

If NATO responds we have to participate as required by the treaty.

It's a tough. My objection is more with the choices that put us into this Hobbesian choice.

NATO expansion? Too harsh or too lenient policy with Russia?

[Chico23231]

There is really nothing we can do except stay on the phone with the Russians, but the European Union is slow to act and coordinate any type of response with the UN its laughable. They probably should sent peacekeepers in when the Russian massed troops on the border and said it "was training exercises".

Does anybody remember the call leaked 2-3 weeks ago between the pentagon and our ambassador to the Ukraine? The Russians were really behind the scenes during the Olympics gearing up for this.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There is really nothing we can do except stay on the phone with the Russians, but the European Union is slow to act and coordinate any type of response with the UN its laughable. They probably should sent peacekeepers in when the Russian massed troops on the border and said it "was training exercises".

Does anybody remember the call leaked 2-3 weeks ago between the pentagon and our ambassador to the Ukraine? The Russians were really behind the scenes during the Olympics gearing up for this.

...staying on the phone after skipping intelligence briefings...great plan.

[NC_Skins]

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis: Grip tightens


Shit is about to get real.

15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.

[Chico23231]

Russia giving an ultimatum to Ukraine troops in crimea till tomorrow morning or face a storming of their bases. Very aggressive by Putin, pretty much an asshole

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Russia giving an ultimatum to Ukraine troops in crimea till tomorrow morning or face a storming of their bases. Very aggressive by Putin, pretty much an asshole

Very in the face move, remember Kerry is going to Ukraine tomorrow. And at the same time he is talking economic moves Putin's fleet is going to massacre Ukrainian soldiers.

Obviously that's an extreme version of events, but still if Putin wants to intimidate eastern Europe (which does) and the former Soviet satellites, attacking Ukrainian soldiers while the US and allies blather about skipping a G8 meeting is absolutely the right move.

And I doubt Putin is bluffing.