Parkland Shooting

[MTK]

The cuts in Medicaid should go a long way in providing sufficient mental health services

[mooby]

The response was appropriate, definitely more presidential then the norm.

I'm indifferent to it because any gun control legislation will probably be shot down, no pun intended, and we'll forget about it until the next one. Sucks for the families that lost their kids. Hiring armed security guards for the schools would be nice, but how many underfunded public schools can afford more than 1 armed security guard? I heard a rumor that this particular school had an armed guard and the kid still managed to be effective.

Ok so the solution is armed teachers? That's fine and dandy, provided it's optional and not mandatory. But how many teachers do you know that would be able to effectively confront an active shooter most likely armed with an assault rifle (as that seems to be the weapon of choice in mass shootings)? What if the teacher shoots an innocent kid while they're trying to take down the shooter?

Budgeting for more than 1 SRO isn't gonna happen, esp. with Devos' plan to divert public school funding to more optional school choices like the one she grew up with. Arming teachers works in theory, but this assumes there are plenty of teachers who want to be armed and also have the training necessary to confront an active shooter. And forget taking mental health seriously, that costs money that we don't have.

So RIP innocent kids, thoughts and prayers to all the innocent families torn apart by this tragedy, and in a week or so everything will be back to normal until the next one (ETA 2-4 months for mass casaulties, 1-2 weeks for specific target being shot).

[MTK]

Time to build walls around our schools

[MTK]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=53113891

[CRedskinsRule]

I think everyone agrees politicians in both parties are complicit.

There just needs to be real dialogue instead of platitudes and blame from both sides. I just don't know how we get the politicians to do that.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think everyone agrees politicians in both parties are complicit.

There just needs to be real dialogue instead of platitudes and blame from both sides. I just don't know how we get the politicians to do that.

Where is Chico? I like this guy and yes he is on FOX! He calls it like it should be.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shepard-s...014240687.html

[mooby]

Good article here by that conservative rag The Washington Post on why 18 school shootings in 2018 is a false number. I like the point it makes about weakening the pro-gun control argument by inflating the number of shootings to anytime a gun goes off on school property.

No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Good article here by that conservative rag The Washington Post on why 18 school shootings in 2018 is a false number. I like the point it makes about weakening the pro-gun control argument by inflating the number of shootings to anytime a gun goes off on school property.

No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.

Did you read the artical,you want to argue semantics? A person shot at a sorority not a school shooting" BS ",someone shooting a gun off in a parking lot after a basket ball game"not a school shooting" BS.Please? ANY TIME A GUN GOES OFF ON SCHOOL PROPERTY OR GROUNDS,YES, IT IS A SCHOOL SHOOTING.No it should not only matter when someone is injured or killed.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Did you read the artical,you want to argue semantics? A person shot at a sorority not a school shooting" BS ",someone shooting a gun off in a parking lot after a basket ball game"not a school shooting" BS.Please? ANY TIME A GUN GOES OFF ON SCHOOL PROPERTY OR GROUNDS,YES, IT IS A SCHOOL SHOOTING.No it should not only matter when someone is injured or killed.

So if a gun goes off at 2 am in a school parking lot when nobody's there and nobody gets hurt, that should be counted as having the same impact as a kid bringing in an AR-15 and killing 17+ kids?

Also no I do not believe shooting someone at a sorority house has the same impact as bringing a gun into school during school hours when kids are present. If you want to count it that's fine, go ahead. But people think of school shootings as ones where kids bring guns to school during school hours to hurt somebody, even with 1000+ witnesses present. It's not the same as a gun going off in a parking lot with nobody there.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

So if a gun goes off at 2 am in a school parking lot when nobody's there and nobody gets hurt, that should be counted as having the same impact as a kid bringing in an AR-15 and killing 17+ kids?

Also no I do not believe shooting someone at a sorority house has the same impact as bringing a gun into school during school hours when kids are present. If you want to count it that's fine, go ahead. But people think of school shootings as ones where kids bring guns to school during school hours to hurt somebody, even with 1000+ witnesses present. It's not the same as a gun going off in a parking lot with nobody there.

Yet it's still a gun ,at a school,people need to change the way they look at it then.Yes it's the same ..........the students and teachers were just lucky they weren't there.

[CRedskinsRule]

We all bitch about politicians getting nothing done, but this thread is filled with the same talking point mumbo jumbo.

Instead of talking past each other, is it possible to say your top 3 concepts to reduce what is clearly at epidemic levels?

mine are

mandatory mental health screenings as part of selective service enrollment. This would be hugely controversial, and I don't know if my thought is true, but I am willing to bet that the majority of these type shooters are young males between 16 and 22

2nd, excluding active military, raise the age for gun ownership and purchase to 21.

3rd, every school district should be required to have a written prevention plan available to parents and students. If a district believes gun free zones are the best prevention then that is part of their plan, If a district believes that prevention is best accomplished by 2 armed guards plus concealed carry for teachers, then that is part of their plan. Regardless each school district should be required to post it, and have community approval.

That would be my first 3 steps. anyone else?

[MTK]

I’d definitely start by expanding Medicaid and Medicare but too late now. I’m also confused about the reasoning behind revoking HJ Res 40.

[mooby]

How about improved background checks for assault rifle buyers between the ages of 21-30. I agree gun ownership should be raised to 21 unless you have parental consent (i.e. a parent with you at the sale). And Trump could also reinstate the Obama law he got rid of last year that basically said 75k individuals with mental illnesses that required special assistance would be restricted from buying guns (i.e. they'd be on a list, and could buy a gun but they'd need a waiver first).

[Redskins247]

How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events!

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events!

You are right but it's all so part of the problem ....the parents.Many pro gun parents do have their children trained to handle guns and don't believe it can happen to them.Their kids are members of the NRA and such ,they have taken class's and such,it's why and how kids like this have the ways and means to have multiple guns.

This kid in FL bragged about his gun ownership,the kid from New-town was taught to handle guns by his own Mom and the kids from Columbine were jr NRA memebers. I am NOT BLAMING the NRA just pointing out that they been educated on and about guns. I live in the country of Maryland and when my kids went to high school(15 -20 years ago) they said it was not unusual for friends of theirs who would hunt with family and come straight to school after hunting at 3/4 am in the morning with their guns in their trucks ,some would bring the deer so they could give it to a teacher. It's a mind set.

Now they want to arm the teachers,what if a teacher doesn't want to carry a gun?