What happens with Kyle Smith?

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I don’t know how long you’ve been a fan, but after 30 fucking years of ineptitude, 3 years of solid drafts, especially the last 2. You don’t have to be blind to see what Smith has done. His mid to lower rounds are better than anyones, his achilles has been the 4th rounders, some of those picks are still to be determined if they’ll pan out. I guess McLaurin, Gibson, Settle, Holcomb, Moreland, Kurl and others are shitty picks? You think Mayhew/Hurney would be able to do that? I highly doubted.

Were not blind but you are going WAY overboard with this. He’s not the only person on the planet who can pick players. Sorry but it is that simple. If it means that much to you, go follow the team he goes to.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I don’t know how long you’ve been a fan, but after 30 fucking years of ineptitude, 3 years of solid drafts, especially the last 2. You don’t have to be blind to see what Smith has done. His mid to lower rounds are better than anyones, his achilles has been the 4th rounders, some of those picks are still to be determined if they’ll pan out. I guess McLaurin, Gibson, Settle, Holcomb, Moreland, Kurl and others are shitty picks? You think Mayhew/Hurney would be able to do that? I highly doubted.

Therein lies the flaw in this argument. Again, you cannot attribute this roster and the previous three years of draft picks (both good and bad) to Smith, and Smith alone.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

Were not blind but you are going WAY overboard with this. He’s not the only person on the planet who can pick players. Sorry but it is that simple. If it means that much to you, go follow the team he goes to.

Yeah, Casserly, Vinny, McCloughan and Allen did a great job, that’s why we haven’t done shit in 30 years.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Yeah, Casserly, Vinny, McCloughan and Allen did a great job, that’s why we haven’t done shit in 30 years.

Yeah it’s just that simple. 🤦*♂️ You’re basically hysterical. I’m out.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yup, couple guys we let walk went on to 2 SB and another who could go to one this year. Clearly they have no clue how to coach and manage talent

I didnt see any of them requesting permission to speak with him while he was here. Chico you should know media spin better than to fall for Chris Russell's garbage. Clearly, he has his love for KS and that is fine, but no one is reaching out to KS as GM. SF is replacing the guy that just signed with us. And the others may see him as a good guy because of their time here, but none of them was pushing the issue enough to lure him away from here.

The one simple fact is we wanted a guy to come in who would not be beholden to DS and would set up a professional football organization. Now that we have someone doing that some people are crying because a guy who thrived in the muck of the WFT front office may be released. Just seems like a contrived reason to gripe about the WFT from a source (Russell) that makes a living doing that.

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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Yeah, Casserly, Vinny, McCloughan and Allen did a great job, that’s why we haven’t done shit in 30 years.

I think you mean Dan Snyder...

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think you mean Dan Snyder...

Smith has worked Dan for 16 years and drafted for 3.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Smith has worked Dan for 16 years and drafted for 3.

Here's the past 9 drafts, players that are still in the league, making an impact - mostly starters, but some are now backups. They are still contributing as compared to other draft picks who are either not in the league or have disappeared on the benches somewhere.

2012 - RGIII, Kirk Cousins, Alfred Morris, Tom Compton
2013 - (no 1st Rd pick) Jordan Reed, Chris Thompson,
2014 - (no 1st Rd pick) Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, Bashaud Breeland
2015 - Brandon Scherff, Preston Smith, Jamison Crowder, Austin Reiter
2016 - Kendall Fuller, Matt Ioannidis, Nate Sudfeld
2017 - Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Fabian Moreau, Chase Rouillier
2018 - Daron Payne, Tim Settle
2019 - Montez Sweat, Terry McLaurin, Cole Holcomb, Jimmy Moreland
2020 - Chase Young, Antonio Gibson, Kamren Curl

As you can see there were some pretty good picks prior to Kyle Smith and all his glory. There were also some pretty bad picks (not listed) before Kyle and with Kyle. The notion that things are markedly better because of his presence is simply false. You really really like him though, and that's ok. I just don't think he's as much of a difference maker as you would like to believe.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Here's the past 9 drafts, players that are still in the league, making an impact - mostly starters, but some are now backups. They are still contributing as compared to other draft picks who are either not in the league or have disappeared on the benches somewhere.

2012 - RGIII, Kirk Cousins, Alfred Morris, Tom Compton
2013 - (no 1st Rd pick) Jordan Reed, Chris Thompson,
2014 - (no 1st Rd pick) Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, Bashaud Breeland
2015 - Brandon Scherff, Preston Smith, Jamison Crowder, Austin Reiter
2016 - Kendall Fuller, Matt Ioannidis, Nate Sudfeld
2017 - Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Fabian Moreau, Chase Rouillier
2018 - Daron Payne, Tim Settle
2019 - Montez Sweat, Terry McLaurin, Cole Holcomb, Jimmy Moreland
2020 - Chase Young, Antonio Gibson, Kamren Curl

As you can see there were some pretty good picks prior to Kyle Smith and all his glory. There were also some pretty bad picks (not listed) before Kyle and with Kyle. The notion that things are markedly better because of his presence is simply false. You really really like him though, and that's ok. I just don't think he's as much of a difference maker as you would like to believe.

And if you count the impactful players from 2102-2017 not counting RGIII, Compton, Sudfeld, Morris, players like RGIII had one good year and we gave up the farm for him, Morris 2-3 years. 15 impactful players in 6 years vs 9 in 3 years. Some of those picks were Shanarat’s forgot about him as GM.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

No matter how you feel his results speak for themselves and Kyle is well respected around the league as a competent talent evaluator. It would be a bad loss for the org; you can’t have too many people who evaluate talent well.

Again, we will be able to see how this plays down the road. We know who we passed on here.

I agree.

These are moves that can't be judged today, but I hope we're not looking back in 5 years on Rivera and co. the way we look back at Mike Shanahan or Jay Gruden.

Kyle Smith represents the last of the young guns (Kyle S., McVay, LaFleur) to rise up in this organization and move on to better situations elsewhere. Time will tell if he's destined for a starring role but I'm sad to see him go.

In the meantime I still trust Ron's process, until the results don't pan out at least.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I agree.

These are moves that can't be judged today, but I hope we're not looking back in 5 years on Rivera and co. the way we look back at Mike Shanahan or Jay Gruden.

Kyle Smith represents the last of the young guns (Kyle S., McVay, LaFleur) to rise up in this organization and move on to better situations elsewhere. Time will tell if he's destined for a starring role but I'm sad to see him go.

In the meantime I still trust Ron's process, until the results don't pan out at least.

How do we look back on Jay Gruden?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I didnt see any of them requesting permission to speak with him while he was here. Chico you should know media spin better than to fall for Chris Russell's garbage. Clearly, he has his love for KS and that is fine, but no one is reaching out to KS as GM. SF is replacing the guy that just signed with us. And the others may see him as a good guy because of their time here, but none of them was pushing the issue enough to lure him away from here.

The one simple fact is we wanted a guy to come in who would not be beholden to DS and would set up a professional football organization. Now that we have someone doing that some people are crying because a guy who thrived in the muck of the WFT front office may be released. Just seems like a contrived reason to gripe about the WFT from a source (Russell) that makes a living doing that.

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Kyles has done a good job and Cooley says he is a grinder...he comes to work and produces. He’s not a GM and needs more experience...completely understandable. People who know football understand his value and will add him to staff immediately. So he’s not a fit for Ron, perfectly fine.

Like I’ve stated, we know exactly now who Ron has chose and we know who has been passed over... Kyle, and the 2 guys from Chargers and Titans. We will see what happens.

The org has let talent out the door before, it’s 1000000% reasonable for the fan base to have doubt.

I love Ron and what’s he’s doing...I want these decisions to work out

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And if you count the impactful players from 2102-2017 not counting RGIII, Compton, Sudfeld, Morris, players like RGIII had one good year and we gave up the farm for him, Morris 2-3 years. 15 impactful players in 6 years vs 9 in 3 years. Some of those picks were Shanarat’s forgot about him as GM.

Why wouldn't you count Compton and Morris? Those weren't good picks?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How do we look back on Jay Gruden?

Somebody who was in over his head and not a good HC.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think some of you here may be making Kyle Smith out to be more than he is. He's been great for us - but he's not gotten a SNIFF at being a GM or even an assistant GM anywhere else in the league - including in SF, LA, or GB - all places where former coaches here are now head coaches. Kyle's good, but lets not have illusions that he's some amazing up-and-coming talent primed for a greater role.

I'd suggest that Kyle - at this stage in his career - is in the exact role he should be in. He's good at it - but not good enough to make any one of the 31 other NFL franchises contact him for an interview for a promotion.

It's been a dismal 30 years for the franchise, and thats made some of you think Kyle allen is more than he is. Its like we're loser kids in high school who want to marry a girl whos a "3" because we think she's the best we can do. And you know what, in high school, maybe she was.

But now that we've graduated college, have a high paying job, lost weight and are in excellent physical shape, and got rid of all that acne - theres a chance we might be able to do better. There's no reason to stick with the "3" that we know when there is a world of possibilities open to us now.

Yeah, I like Kyle too. But there's a time when I thought Eric Shaffer and Alex Santos were indispensable. A year later, i am not even sure I got their names right. It could be Alex Shaffer and Eric Santos. To be honest, I dont really care. We got rid of them and dont miss them one bit.

If Ron prefers Marty and Martin, then I'll trust his judgement and wish Kyle the best.