Falcons at Redskins Post Game Thoughts

[CultBrennan59]

Likes and Dislikes

Likes:

- How competitive we were today
- Not allowing Julio and Roddy to huge numbers
- Kerrigan
- Cofield getting a sack and knocking down the ball when he didn't get there; Hands up!
- Alfred Morris
- Santana's New Role
- Fred Davis doing good
- Our OL play
- Our punting game
- Getting to see Kirk Cousins

Dislikes:

- Getting to see Kirk Cousins
- Not getting to Matt Ryan/Giving him lots of time to pass/allowing him to step up
- Our pass defense in the second half (particularly the 4th quarter)
- Josh Wilson; Before the game John Lynch interviewed Matt Ryan and the WRs and said do you all know where you want to attack the Skins today? They all replied 'Wherever Josh Wilson is, where going to that guy whose on him'. Translation= He sucks. Then I went back and remembered reading on this board that Josh Wilson was playing at one of the highest levels in the league according to ProFootballFocus.com. If teams are specifically going after a guy, that means he isn't good. And if that player who isn't good is considered the best player in our secondary and has a reliable stat sight saying that he's good, then that right there really shows that our secondary is awful. At least thats how I see it (and Josh was tested the whole game and ultimately did poorly, allowing guys to get first downs on him and stiff arm him constantly)
- Billy Cundiff; like I said earlier today, when a kicker has no confidence, he's got to go. His body language said it all to me today. He had to make both kicks today; he missed the easy one, 31 yards, so he's got to go. Josh Brown, Neil Rackers, Kris Brown, Gano come and try out.
- The DL got zero push or pressure today. 1 sack the whole game. All we did was edge rush and when you edge rush and get 0 pressure up the middle, all the QB has to do is step up in the pocket, like I mentioned above.
- Pierre Garcon. We are undefeated in games which he scores a TD. I think he's a great player. I Want to think he's going to be a great signing and worth the money. But today's performance of dropping passes was head pounding.
- RG3 getting hurt.
- The tackling on the defense
- The fact that Orakpo may not be on this team next year, according to SS. I think its a dumb move if we really do trade him; especially if it isn't a first.

[REDSKINS4ever]

The Redskins fought hard in this one. The defense has face five great QBs so far this season. We knew that going in to this game the game would be close. While I'm a bit down on the starting corners, I felt the defense play overall played a great game.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Many of his passes, even the completions, didn't look accurate. He was throwing low, throwing behind receivers. If I were to lay the smack down...RG3, Kyle Shanahan, Cundiff, and Madieu Williams would get it

I agree. I thought we saw the game of an average QB out there. Also, he has to be smarter for his own hysical and mental health. On the play he got his concussion he should've just thrown it away or ran out of bounds ( he does this we probably get a late hit and a new set of downs).

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

Garcon is good when healthy. Coaching staff, in my opinion, is holding RG3 back. RG3 needs to learn to run out of bounds instead of getting killed. I expect a fine to the player who hit him in the helmet...

He's not going to throw deep balls every play. He leads the league with 8. something per attempt. So i'm not sure what else you would have him "unleash". We have a potent running attack with Morris and RG3.

There is no handcuff's in our offense at the moment. Do they limit the amount of plays RG3 has learned? Probally, since the guy has never used a playbook in college.

Team is young, and we have 2 potential RoTY canidate's on our offense. I'm pretty excited about the future.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Dont forget mcnabb or cundiff or all thr others moves or draftpicks that didnt work out. Sit down and go over every draft pick and free agent signing made by shanny since he got here. More wrongs than rites. It would be an absolute calamity if shanny fails and you know it. The guy has one playoff win in 14 years. What makes you so sure he is on the verge of winning games?. I think you overcome your fear of having to start over again with a new regime by ripping goat or me or anybody who doubts shanny. Are you THAT SURE that this team will be winning in year five????


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I can't see the future, but I would put my money on yes. He said 5 years, and we are already winning. 2-3 is not 1-4, or 0-5.. This is the NFL, and there is not one team that is perfect. I didn't see the the Falcons board screaming to fire their offensive cordinator because they had two plays that threw passes to a backup center.

Shanahan came in and said it would take 5 years. I'm willing to give him that. He's done a lot of good for this franchise and we are currently 1 game out of the division lead.

I have a strong feeling if we win next week, and go in to NY the following with the division lead at stake. The vibrations of failure could change around here.

Everyone is so easy to scream failure. I understand everyone has different opinions, but this day and age NFL isn't perfect.. People and teams will get better or worse. I believe we are getting better.

Packers got beat by the Colts yesterday, and they are now 2-3.. The worse team in the NFL last year just beat the team that was in the Superbowl. I believe we were an injury away from perhaps winning against a team that is now 5-0 this year.

We are not as far off as people think in my opinion.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Many of his passes, even the completions, didn't look accurate. He was throwing low, throwing behind receivers. If I were to lay the smack down...RG3, Kyle Shanahan, Cundiff, and Madieu Williams would get it

That stood out to me as well. Receivers seemed to be spinning and turning on even short passes and screens. The play before RG3 got hurt would have been a TD if the pass wasn't thrown behind Garçon. Also, it seems like every pass is to the middle of the field 10-20 yards past the line of scrimmage. I feel like teams are going to take that part of the field away and force more throws to the sidelines and over the top.

[MTK]

Falcons 24, Redskins 17: Ten Observations | WashingtonExaminer.com

[MTK]

RG3 Report: Falcons 24, Redskins 17 | WashingtonExaminer.com

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how you come to your conclusions. Not a serious football team, goofy kiddo. I really don't get it. But whatever, it's your opinion.

You're just not intelligent enough to get it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Wait, don't I get credit for questioning it when he was signed!! lol

To kind of bring things full circle on Mike's (umpteenth) FA mistake, I know some folks asked if anyone (probably me especially though) would still prefer Gaffney or some other average, veteran WR. I don't see how anyone would prefer otherwise.

Gaffney or another WR would have commanded $1 million/year guaranteed money, at the most. We're paying Garcon $5 million + per year in guaranteed money. Is Garcon five times more valuable than an average, veteran WR? Will he be five times for valuable that the avg, bet WR in any year of his career? LOL, he's not even twice as valuable. He's maybe the 3rd best WR on the roster. Will he be targeted a lot yet this season? Sure. Will he have the most TDs of the WR corp? Probably, given how much the offense is willing to sacrifice to get him the ball already. Will that prove he's better than Moss, worthy of the contract, or deserves to start? (Right now my starters would be Moss and Hankerson, with Garcon and Morgan and Robinson battling to be the the "3rd option")

I soon as saw the "sign Gaffney" - I stopped reading. We get it Goat. We are all idiots for thinking Garcon was a good signing. Fire the coach and front office today.

Now what's your plan?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

RG3 Report: Falcons 24, Redskins 17 | WashingtonExaminer.com

4.This is his second concussion in less than a year. Griffin suffered a concussion last November while at Baylor trying to get away from a pass rush. He went to slide, took a forearm to the head and his head bounced on the turf.

[skinsguy]

My thoughts on this game, after having a night to sleep on it, are as follows:

I think it's so ironic that a game in which the Shanahans were trying to protect RGIII the most is when he gets knocked out of the game with a concussion. However, that was all on RGIII. If he had just thrown the ball away, lived to played another series, the 'skins probably would have had a great chance to have beaten the Falcons. I mean, who knows? I have so much confidence in RGIII, that I never think the 'skins are out of a ballgame until the time reads 00:00.

I appreciate the fact the Mike & Kyle were calling an offense to protect their QB more. I just hate the fact that Griffin's receivers weren't helping him a lot with dropped passes and so forth, but there's only so much one man can do! But, besides that, it seems to me that the more you call a "safe" game in terms of protecting RGIII, the less potent the offense seems, and it also seems to take away a dimension of RGIII's game. But nevertheless, you do have to protect your investment.

In the near future, RGIII will learn how to protect himself better, while being a danger with his legs. Hopefully that will come sooner than the next hit that could be a season ender. Anyways, there HAS to be a happy medium, because we're going to need the offense to utilize every skill RGIII has if this season's version of the Redskins are going to end at or above .500.

The defense played very well, Haslett had them ready. They did pretty much everything they needed to do to help this team beat the Falcons. Unfortunately, the offense took a bad time to have a scoring drought, but you do kind of expect a harder time scoring against a well polished team like the Atlanta Falcons. Still, if the offense was scoring like they did in previous games, the Redskins could have very easily beat the Falcons, because the 'skins defense was playing pretty solid.

HOWEVER, the defense couldn't pressure Matt Ryan enough, and eventually the defense couldn't hold up for all four quarters. Couple that with RGIII getting knocked out of the game, and I figured the team was done for at that point.

So, moving forward, I think Mike & Kyle will continue to keep RGIII safe, but that might be at an expense of a few games. After five games, I'm thinking this roster is young and definitely talented in a few areas, but still just not quite good enough. We have great players in RGIII and Alfred Morris on offense, and guys like London Fletcher, Ryan Kerrigan, and Perry Riley on defense. But, I don't think it's going to be quite enough. Still, plenty of games ahead of us, but I now see how huge it was to lose Brian Orakpo, and even Adam Carriker. If the defensive line isn't getting to the QB early and often, then the 'skins only option is to win in shoot out games - and you can't do that if RGIII is on the sidelines.

I just hope for the Shanahan's sake that they can get this thing figured out in two more seasons, because everybody's (including my) evaluation starts this season, and this team HAS to start figuring it out on the field.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

My thoughts on this game, after having a night to sleep on it, are as follows:

I think it's so ironic that a game in which the Shanahans were trying to protect RGIII the most is when he gets knocked out of the game with a concussion. However, that was all on RGIII. If he had just thrown the ball away, lived to played another series, the 'skins probably would have had a great chance to have beaten the Falcons. I mean, who knows? I have so much confidence in RGIII, that I never think the 'skins are out of a ballgame until the time reads 00:00.

I appreciate the fact the Mike & Kyle were calling an offense to protect their QB more. I just hate the fact that Griffin's receivers weren't helping him a lot with dropped passes and so forth, but there's only so much one man can do! But, besides that, it seems to me that the more you call a "safe" game in terms of protecting RGIII, the less potent the offense seems, and it also seems to take away a dimension of RGIII's game. But nevertheless, you do have to protect your investment.

In the near future, RGIII will learn how to protect himself better, while being a danger with his legs. Hopefully that will come sooner than the next hit that could be a season ender. Anyways, there HAS to be a happy medium, because we're going to need the offense to utilize every skill RGIII has if this season's version of the Redskins are going to end at or above .500.

The defense played very well, Haslett had them ready. They did pretty much everything they needed to do to help this team beat the Falcons. Unfortunately, the offense took a bad time to have a scoring drought, but you do kind of expect a harder time scoring against a well polished team like the Atlanta Falcons. Still, if the offense was scoring like they did in previous games, the Redskins could have very easily beat the Falcons, because the 'skins defense was playing pretty solid.

HOWEVER, the defense couldn't pressure Matt Ryan enough, and eventually the defense couldn't hold up for all four quarters. Couple that with RGIII getting knocked out of the game, and I figured the team was done for at that point.

So, moving forward, I think Mike & Kyle will continue to keep RGIII safe, but that might be at an expense of a few games. After five games, I'm thinking this roster is young and definitely talented in a few areas, but still just not quite good enough. We have great players in RGIII and Alfred Morris on offense, and guys like London Fletcher, Ryan Kerrigan, and Perry Riley on defense. But, I don't think it's going to be quite enough. Still, plenty of games ahead of us, but I now see how huge it was to lose Brian Orakpo, and even Adam Carriker. If the defensive line isn't getting to the QB early and often, then the 'skins only option is to win in shoot out games - and you can't do that if RGIII is on the sidelines.

I just hope for the Shanahan's sake that they can get this thing figured out in two more seasons, because everybody's (including my) evaluation starts this season, and this team HAS to start figuring it out on the field.

The pass rush was so bad I got up to get a beer at the begining of a Falcons play and Matt was still in the pocket when I got back with my beer.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So you sign Gaffney for one year and then what? Sign him again for another one year deal?

Why not? It seems a whole lot more fiscally responsible considering we are already behind 36mil over the next two years, and our defense is worst in the league, the secondary is a disaster, and o-line is shaky at best.

I know that hind sight is 20 20. But Id wager that alot of people on this site questioned the AMOUNT we gave garcon, especially with our holes, and the positions that went unfilled because of his huge signing, not the fact that we signed him. Noone questioned the upgrade. I think he is our best reciever, and I think he will be here a while and perform. But gaffney or some other WR, with proven hands and a decent route runner might have been a better option considering our cap situation, thats all.

[MTK]

Still way too early to close the book on Garcon. He's still working his way back from injury. He needs to start stepping it up though, no doubt. Although if Griffin hits him in stride on that slant and he walks in for a TD, people might be singing a slightly different tune today. Just sayin'.

We needed to add playmakers for Griffin, and Gaffney clearly did not fit that description. Let's move on.