Democratic Primary Push for White House

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Pure unfettered capitalism is bad. That is fairly obvious because the wealth collection leads to inherent inequalities like BaltimoreSkins said.

BUT even unfettered capitalism is far superior to any form of economic structure predicated on socialism first. And there is a simple reason. Socialism, and Marxism by extension, take away the natural incentive that human beings need to excel. In socialism, one gains no advantage to being better than others, in fact quite often the reverse is true - if you are more motivated to earn a higher wage, the benefits of your effort is taken from you and passed on to those who were less motivated. And that kills human spirit and drive quicker than unfettered capitalism's poverty.

Unfettered capitalism's poverty puts human beings in terrible places, and in a Darwinian way sifts the wheat from the chaff. Some people who don't know where their next meal will come from, but have hope of escape will use that hope and grow. Most will not.

So the real question is not whether socialism or capitalism is bad or good, but how do you balance the value of human life (which pure socialism values with equality) with the mechanism of hope and incentive that pure capitalism creates through wealth diversity and distribution.

Personally, and I know it is an unattainable goal because government bureaucracy will never give up it's power, but I think all specific aid programs should be converted to one bureau, and that every person over 18 should be given up to 22K a year. If you earn 22001 you get 0 from aid. if you earn 18000 you get 4K. I realize that this creates a disincentive but 22k is purely sustaining a life. No frills. So the incentive to work and earn more exists without having anyone suffer pure abject capitalistism's poverty. Along with that would I would support a cataclysmic insurance system with strong checks.

The 22K is a relatively arbitrary number that is more for example. I would think that the actual number should be a calculated number based on the cost of 1 person living in an average cost of living, with an actuarial table of insurance and rent and food expenses.

The key point is that government bureacracy is reduced to near zero. IRS collects, one agency calculates the yearly number, and IRS disburses monthly checks based on the previous year's tax returns. From there individuals rise and fall on their ability. If someone takes that monthly check and spends it poorly then they face the consequences of their choices. If someone manages to spend less than the monthly check and saves, then they reap the benefits of their choices.

anyway. that's my thought for the day

I have always thought that unemployment, welfare, what have you could be far better managed. Able bodied people should be able to work I think.

[MTK]

The concept of a basic universal income is an interesting one. As more and more jobs are taken away due to automation it's a concept that will need to be given a hard look.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

The concept of a basic universal income is an interesting one. As more and more jobs are taken away due to automation it's a concept that will need to be given a hard look.

It works for starfleet

For sunnyside that is a sarcastic post.
Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not sure when I began to consider myself a Marxist, I have always thought that our societal and economic system was biased but I didn't start using the label until people started labeling me as such then I said sure why not.

In terms of most equitable economy ever? Maybe. I do know there is great stress put on the middle class to keep the economy a float. At the same time we are not seeing the influx of services in marginalized communities and that is an indictment on local and state jurisdictions which are a huge part of the problem. Take Baltimore they have invested huge amounts int eh water front neighborhoods which are mostly upper middle class while not developing fully services in more marginalized communities food deserts, recreational opportunities are limited, the powers that be for the City even stopped accepting SNAP at the farmers markets. I am not saying it has to be an even distribution, I am not a communist after all, but I do see how we can improve the quality of life of communities that need it and choose not to.

In terms of Venezuela that is just crazy talk. I don't follow Bernie blindly and he does say things that are extreme. The only thing we should be pointing at Venezuela and saying we should want to incorporate in our society is the glorious amounts of fine tanned female asses.

Something I could get behind

intended

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Something I could get behind

intended

The Venezuelan flag

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas

Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The Venezuelan flag

I like it but isn't it the wrong thread?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

The concept of a basic universal income is an interesting one. As more and more jobs are taken away due to automation it's a concept that will need to be given a hard look.

Wait , what??? You trying to give chico a heart attack?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I like it but isn't it the wrong thread?

It was a response to the quoted post and the one above it.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.

[Chico23231]

its weird how the impeachment case killed the Biden Presidential run. Or is trump the puppet master...again?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.

I actually agree, not about the blind hatred - that would be the antiTrump base - but Biden and Warrem are lost causes for the Dems. Sanders Bloomberg and one of Pete B or AmyK, will take the delegates to the convention.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas

I think it's more shocking Biden hasn't seized the lead and ran with it. A year ago it seemed like the Biden train was gonna runaway from the pack. Now it seems like he's on the downswing.

BTW I think the only thing Biden is guilty of is getting his son a job. I don't think Hunter Biden had anything to do with the corruption at Burisma which seemed to have started before he arrived. And if using your political ties to get your family a job they didn't deserve was a crime Trump would be guilty too.

I honestly don't know who is going to emerge from the pack, but it's not Bernie. He won't appeal to the moderate Dems, and he won't appeal to any conservatives.

Klobuchar might be alright but I need to hear more from her. What is her plan to bridge the gap? Unite the country? What are her priorities?

I would vote for Buttigieg if he's the nominee, but (a nod to Cred here) I don't think he would win. He might swing some fiscal conservative votes but the religious conservative outcry is going to be outrageous if he gets the nomination. And in my uninformed opinion I think religious conservatives are the bigger threat because of how outspoken they are.

Let's be honest here. I really dislike Bloomberg (because my 2nd biggest beef behind global warming is the ever-expanding wealth gap in this country) but if it came down to it, I'd vote for whoever opposed Trump.

[Chico23231]

Ehhh Mooby, if you are going with the “ nothing to see here and this is normal for a sitting VP son with no experience in energy to work for the board of a known corrupt oligarch “ comment and then say somehow there is an trump kid equivalent...

Come on man...you had to go off the rails? Then name it.

Burisma hurt Biden, the Dems did no favor to Biden going thru with a bs impeachment charge.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ehhh Mooby, if you are going with the “ nothing to see here and this is normal for a sitting VP son with no experience in energy to work for the board of a known corrupt oligarch “ comment and then say somehow there is an trump kid equivalent...

Come on man...you had to go off the rails? Then name it.

Burisma hurt Biden, the Dems did no favor to Biden going thru with a bs impeachment charge.

The fact you think it was BS means it was worth it.