When is Enough ,Enough?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

When the POTUS doubts the IA’s information and does so publicly it destroys the faith they, and their contacts have in us. When someone doubts, even slightly, our word (trump represents our country) that can be devastating. I think you are underestimating the power of tweets/words of the POTUS can have on our standing in the world.

It would have been good if someone had questioned our findings of WMD's in Iraq.

It would have been good if someone had questioned our IA's structure of sharing information before 9-11

It would have been good if someone had questioned the running of the FISA court before abuses became a political weapon.

It's hypocritical in fact to claim that you can't doubt our IA's conclusions even slightly, but support a NSA officer who testified against the head of our executive branch about a private conversation, even though he acknowledged it was primarily a policy disagreement.

It's hypocritical and laughable to go woe is us over that the president tweets and their affect at the same time the democrats and media cohorts attack his standing every day and every action.

Our IA aren't James Bond superspies, some may be, mostly they are bureaucrats with a love of country, and all the same passions and fires you and I bring to these discussions. And in this hyper partisan time, brought on since Bush II and exacerbated by Obama, then Trump, by Republicans and Democrats, some in those agencies have let beliefs like those that G1 and you have expressed give them cause to create insurance policies and rigged FISA warrants to tear this president down. You don't think that has an effect on how our adversaries view us?

[Chico23231]

The fed’s manipulation of the interest rate is horseshit. Let’s be completely honest, the stock market drop is because of the coronavirus is the definition of a black swan event. Fear induce selling based on the sickness has taken place. So as it takes place, indirect supply chain impact will now blunt the economy as a result..that’s just how it’s gonna happen because of where it is hittin the most, middle, industrial China. Nothing we can do about that. Other industries will be hit like travel. But overall we have to let it play out...but the fed sweeping in is a bad call. Don’t prop the market, it was running too hot anyway.

[CRedskinsRule]

So what was everyone's take on Schumer's speech

"I want to tell you, Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price!" Schumer warned. "You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So what was everyone's take on Schumer's speech

Media and libs just look the other way per the usual

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Media and libs just look the other way per the usual

LOL, or the ignorant right wing nuts want blood ,.......like always.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So what was everyone's take on Schumer's speech

Good , what's wrong with it?If you're going to fill the SC with political appointees then this is what you're going to get.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

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Our IA aren't James Bond superspies, some may be, mostly they are bureaucrats with a love of country, and all the same passions and fires you and I bring to these discussions. And in this hyper partisan time, brought on since Bush II and exacerbated by Obama, then Trump, by Republicans and Democrats, some in those agencies have let beliefs like those that G1 and you have expressed give them cause to create insurance policies and rigged FISA warrants to tear this president down. You don't think that has an effect on how our adversaries view us?

Seriously some of the biggest bullshit you or chico have ever posted. Trump has affected how our "adversaries view us" .......as sheep the will lie down . Trump sides with Russia , North korea and now the fucking taliban. Our friends and our Adversaries all view us the same way .........as a country lost with a fucking clown as president,......basicly a country without a leader.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Good , what's wrong with it?If you're going to fill the SC with political appointees then this is what you're going to get.

Just wow.

Just to recap, if you are a political appointee threats suddenly come with the job. This is the left folks

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just wow.

Just to recap, if you are a political appointee threats suddenly come with the job. This is the left folks

Where was your outrage when Moscow mitch held up the SC nominees of Obama??? You're a hypocrite chico.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Where was your outrage when Moscow mitch held up the SC nominees of Obama??? You're a hypocrite chico.

holding up a nomination (not with a gun) is not the same as verbal threats against specific Justices.

Hard to know where lines are drawn nowadays (on both sides)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

holding up a nomination (not with a gun) is not the same as verbal threats against specific Justices.

Hard to know where lines are drawn nowadays (on both sides)

Republicans "politicized the SC" and there were no "threats " against anyone just a confirmation that there are consequences for there political views of the court instead of processing justice.




P.S. Roberts stayed quiet when trump went after RBG and Sotomayor but no that's ok,like I said hypocrite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/u...eme-court.html



But you guys will defend trump ...............you always do ,nothing new.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

holding up a nomination (not with a gun) is not the same as verbal threats against specific Justices.

Hard to know where lines are drawn nowadays (on both sides)

My beef is with the Chief Justice calling out Schumer (as is his right when he feels the court is being attacked unfairly).

Where's the beef when Trump insults RBG, Sotomayer, the judge on the Stone/etc. trials, or literally any other judiciary exec Trump has attacked over the years? How about the mexican judge Trump thinks is biased due to his nationality?

Partisanship has invaded the judiciary, this is the world we live in now. Either you have a problem with all of it or you are a part of the problem as well.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

My beef is with the Chief Justice calling out Schumer (as is his right when he feels the court is being attacked unfairly).



Where's the beef when Trump insults RBG, Sotomayer, the judge on the Stone/etc. trials, or literally any other judiciary exec Trump has attacked over the years? How about the mexican judge Trump thinks is biased due to his nationality?



Partisanship has invaded the judiciary, this is the world we live in now. Either you have a problem with all of it or you are a part of the problem as well.

Roberts did rebuke Trump in 2018 when Trump spoke of the Obama judges.

Back in November 2018, Roberts defended the federal judiciary in a rare rebuke of comments from Trump, saying there are no “Obama judges” as the president claimed.
“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” Roberts said in a statement distributed by the Supreme Court. “What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them."

I cannot speak to why he didn't in the Sotomayor incident.

Schumer's language, to me, was on a far different level though. He cited the two judges saying they will pay, to come back and say it was about elections makes no sense since judges are not subject to election. If he had said your republican cohorts will pay, then thats the elections. Politicians know the meanings of words, and he was very specific in his threat.

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[mooby]

For the record I disagree with Schumer's choice of words. But I don't see what he said as anything worse than the constant barrage of attacks on judges from Trump.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So what was everyone's take on Schumer's speech

imo Schumer was wrong to single out any SCOTUS justice.

Justice Roberts, from what ive seen, I like him. Clarence Thomas imo shouldnt be on the bench, he will twist facts ro interpretation of law to fit whatever predetermined super conservative view he wants. He would vote to over turn Roe v Wade and throw precedent out the window just so his version of America is the only version of America. I think Sotomayor may be his polar equivalent. And equally not qualified imo but she doesnt have a track record yet to judge.

This isnt the first time he has had to respond another branch. I remember he made a public statement in response to trump saying there are Obama justices and Trump justices and Roberts said the SCOTUS is neutral and party bias and there are no trump or Obama judges.

If we are going to discuss Schumer's comments ... I think its fair to ask if you discussed or questioned trump and republican comments re the SCOTUS as well. if you didnt then ... can you honestly do it now and claim objectiveness?

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McConnell has driven Congress off the cliff and civility and fair play will never come back. For him to hold up the vetting of Garland was .. the last fatal blow.

In a speech that August in Kentucky, McConnell would say: "One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.' "

McConnell was not alone. The 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter saying they had no intention of consenting to any nominee from Obama. No proceedings of any kind were held on Garland's appointment.
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/29/62446...it-matters-now

Now any party can just move the goal post farther back ... if a Republican president nominates a justice for the SCOTUS 2 years before elections ... but Dems hold the Senate, why should they act on it vs just sitting on it.

We were probably already heading down the road of severe partinship but McConnell fast tracked it.

And dont give me the "but the biden rule" crap. Thats a complete strawman and any competent and semi objective person cant argue that with a straight face.

Blue slips - McConnell also killed that. he weaponized the Senate to be the working agent for the Executive branch.

I really dont want to hear any Republicans scream about how the AG or DOJ are supposed to be neutral or how Congress is supposed to be an independent branch and not work exclusively under the direction of the President.

20 years from now .. Texas will be blue, florida will be blue, arizona etc plus the Senate and POTUS will be a Dem ... and you can thank McConnell for single handily removing the checks and balances that existed for over 200 years.

Enjoy it now ... just remember that you were okay with all of this while it was trump and republicans doing it .... but im sure many republicans will be screaming bloody murder 20 years from now.

edit --- and a super extreme left view equally scares me the same as a super right view