Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm with your premise, however the gov't (state, not Fed) does have to be involved to a point with adoption/welfare of children, dispostion of property in the event of divorce or death with no will, etc.

I don't agree with gay marriage, but if that's what someone wants to do, have at it. To me the Fed should get out of the "defining marriage" business one way or the other. This is a state level issue IMO. If there comes a time where there's a dispute between states concerning gay marriage that needs to be settled, let the SCOTUS do it's job and decide the specific dispute, not try to legislate gay marriage laws on a national level.

I agree

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm with your premise, however the gov't (state, not Fed) does have to be involved to a point with adoption/welfare of children, dispostion of property in the event of divorce or death with no will, etc.

I don't agree with gay marriage, but if that's what someone wants to do, have at it. To me the Fed should get out of the "defining marriage" business one way or the other. This is a state level issue IMO. If there comes a time where there's a dispute between states concerning gay marriage that needs to be settled, let the SCOTUS do it's job and decide the specific dispute, not try to legislate gay marriage laws on a national level.

This whole thing is about one state not recognizing marriage performed in another state as much as gay marriage itself. I believe there are cases pending regarding whether states that banned gay should recognize marriage licenses of a gay couple from another state.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'll never understand why this is such a big deal. If two consenting adults want to get married, fine. If someone feels marriage should only be between a man and a woman, I can understand that and I'm ok with that debate. But comparing gay marriage to beastiality, sodomy, and incest? Sorry but you lost me with that line of caveman thinking.

You didn't answer my question.

So then, if I have three 16 year old cousins, then I should be able to marry them and have children with them?

Let's just say they're all 18 but they're my first cousins. Are you cool with that? If they consent it should be all good right? If I was a Mormon or a Muslim then it would be part of my religion.

[MTK]

So if we allow gay marriage, that opens the flood gates to people marrying their cousins or their dog?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So if we allow gay marriage, that opens the flood gates to people marrying their cousins or their dog?

Why wouldn't it? Can you tell me why it wouldn't? I'm already told I have accept transexuals or people who have had sex changes. If a Federal judge can tell the voters that their social norms and values are un-Constitutional, tell me how polygammy wouldn't come up? There are tons of them in Utah and it's accepted all over the world, especially in the Islamic world and Africa. If a Federal judge can say it's alright for a woman to stick a close hanger in between her legs, then why can't I stick a needle in my arm? It's my body right?

I would be fine with this being a state's rights issue. The states have no rights now because they get in the way of the progressive agenda.

Perversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MTK]

Right now we're talking about gay marriage. Let's cross one bridge at a time.

[saden1]

Polygamy should be legal if it is between consenting adults. Pedophilia should not be legal...you can wait a few years to bang your cousin TTL. We're not preventing you from satisfying your lust for your cousin, we just want to make sure she has reached the age of mental maturity.

Oh and if you ever decide goat-loving is your thing don't expect that to be legalized until goats can vocalize their will. The law against animal cruelty is permanent.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

TheLastDon always tells me there is no hope for me so drink up, enjoy yourselves and don't wait for me cause I ain't coming. Plus you probably don't want me there as I might set the tent on fire.

LOL. I feel his pain, I've been waiting for my brother-in-law to see the light for over 10 years.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Right now we're talking about gay marriage. Let's cross one bridge at a time.

I'm looking at the storm, not the hail. We're talking about the sexual norms of a society. Californians have defined it for themselves but a judge said eff you, your votes don't count.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

So then, if I have three 16 year old cousins, then I should be able to marry them and have children with them? That doesn't infringe on your rights? I should be able to do that right? They do it in Saudi Arabia, why not here? If American culture means nothing now, then I should be able to act as I please right?

I dunno. Those were just some lyrics to a Ben Harper song. So, if you don't like my fire, then don't come around, cause I'm gonna burn one down.

[MTK]

Haven't we reached the point where homosexuality is a norm?

Or do you still believe it's a choice you can be cured from?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I'm a heterosexual male. I never made a choice to like women. It just happened.

I have a few gay friends. They are as close to "normal" as anyone else I know.

[TheLastDon]

I think the solution to this whole thing is to take all government involvement out of marriage. Then no one will have any problem with being treated unfairly. If there is a church that recognizes gay marriage then they can get married there. Who cares? Personally, I don't think gay marriage is right, but they aren't hurting me so have at it. Everyone gets judged in the end and that's between you and God. Not between me and that person.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Haven't we reached the point where homosexuality is a norm?

Or do you still believe it's a choice you can be cured from?

I didn't make them. It's not my part to figure out why they're effed up. I am of the opinion that many of them were sexually abused as children, some of it's a choice, and some were born sexually retarded. I don't know? You'll have to ask God.

No, you have reached the point to where you think two perverts sodomozing each other is normal. They don't call themselves queer (AKA strange) because they think they're normal. Why should I? If you can look at Dennis Rodman and think he's normal then well, I guess we've crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

We in Virginia have made it law that we will not recognize another state's marriage licenses for two perverts. If you don't like it, don't move here.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by TheLastDon

I think the solution to this whole thing is to take all government involvement out of marriage. Then no one will have any problem with being treated unfairly. If there is a church that recognizes gay marriage then they can get married there. Who cares? Personally, I don't think gay marriage is right, but they aren't hurting me so have at it. Everyone gets judged in the end and that's between you and God. Not between me and that person.

Taking the Federal government out of our lives, and the lives of foreigners, would solve about 90% of all of our problems.