PrismmmMMMMmmmm, good! NOT!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People don't put things in perspective and are too easily distracted by the scandal of the day, such as PRISM now. Not to say that PRISM isn't a big deal, but what do you expect out of our government, when we have a citizenry that can't even get the government to be accountable for doing their jobs on the economy, health care, and education.

PRISM and the Patriot Act are good examples of issues that people are very passionate about, yet no one has had a serious debate on maybe changing the foreign policy of this nation to avoid having to worry so much about terrorism. Our nation's blind support for Israel, the constant involvement in the oil industry, and the pointless wars we've been involved in the Middle East are three reasons why people over there hate us. Yet no one ever discuss these things because they are too preoccupied with whatever political carrot is being dangled by politicians or the media.

That's one of the problems right there it should not be the federal goverment dealing with those issuea it should be the state. Maybe when the citizenry figures out that its better to lets the states handle these issue then the Feds can do what they are suppose to do.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Many? Want to put a number on that or can I call BS on that, too?

200,000 Palestinian Christians is the number which I have seen in most sources.

But my point would hold if the number were one.

Israel oppresses Palestinian Christians just as it does Palestinian Muslims. Therefore criticizing Israel's horrendous human rights record has nothing to do with being pro-Islam.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

200,000 Palestinian Christians is the number which I have seen in most sources.

But my point would hold if the number were one.

Israel oppresses Palestinian Christians just as it does Palestinian Muslims. Therefore criticizing Israel's horrendous human rights record has nothing to do with being pro-Islam.

Please site a source.

KTHANXBAI

[NC_Skins]

Clapper apologizes for 'erroneous' answer on NSA


It's ok guys, he's "sorry."


Meanwhile, no charges are being brought up on him for lying to Congress. He isn't even removed from his post for lying to Congress. However, expose the government's criminal behavior and you get labeled a "traitor" and charged with espionage.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Please site a source.

KTHANXBAI

Go to the gajillion places online which talk about Palestinian Christians. Who do you think lives in Bethlehem? If you don't know that there are many Palestinian Christians, you really don't know anything about the lives of Palestinians.

You might start your education regarding Palestinian Christians here:
IMEU: FACT SHEET: Palestinian Christians in the Holy Land
Philip Farah: Palestinian Christians Against the Occupation

Given your resistance to recognizing a well-known fact, you have allowed me to yet again point out that Israel has a HORRIFIC human rights record, oppressing Palestinian Christians and Muslims alike.

You can read about some of these human rights abuses here:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Iran has never been a democracy, in anything but name.

Past Results | Iran Election Watch

you mean in like in the 1950's before the US helped bombed it out for the oil companies and put the shah in place?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you mean in like in the 1950's before the US helped bombed it out for the oil companies and put the shah in place?

US fear (paranoia?) of an increasingly active Communist presence in Iran played a big part in the 1953 coup. Installing a ruler who could keep our oil needs equitable satisfied our nations capitalist interests, no doubt. I think the fear of the spread of communism, though, was what put it all into play. I'm no scholar, though, I just like reading all things Iranian history.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Go to the gajillion places online which talk about Palestinian Christians. Who do you think lives in Bethlehem? If you don't know that there are many Palestinian Christians, you really don't know anything about the lives of Palestinians.

I'd like a number, you seem unwilling to admit that the figures are difficult to get. You mentioned 200K although my numbers come out at 143K, a considerable difference.

Originally Posted by Lotus

You might start your education regarding Palestinian Christians here:
IMEU: FACT SHEET: Palestinian Christians in the Holy Land
Philip Farah: Palestinian Christians Against the Occupation

I was hoping for something less shrill in its bias. I'll keep looking.

Originally Posted by Lotus

Given your resistance to recognizing a well-known fact,

<point_laugh> pompous ass

Originally Posted by Lotus

...you have allowed me to yet again point out that Israel has a HORRIFIC human rights record, oppressing Palestinian Christians and Muslims alike.

Horrific and largely false: UN Watch OIC driven BS.

The council has criticized Israel on 27 separate occasions, in resolutions that grant effective impunity to Hamas, Hezbollah and their state sponsors. Obsessed with condemning Israel, the Council in its first year failed to condemn human rights violations occurring in any of the world’s 191 other countries. In its second year, the Council finally criticized one other country when it “deplored” the situation in Burma, but only after it censored out initial language containing the word “condemn.” It even praised Sudan for its "cooperation." In its third year,

The Council’s fixation with Israel is not limited to resolutions. Israel is the only country listed on the Council’s permanent agenda. Moreover, Israel is the only country subjected to an investigatory mandate that examines the actions of only one side, presumes those actions to be violations, and which is not subject to regular review.

Originally Posted by Lotus

You can read about some of these human rights abuses here:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

Can't have those pesky Israelis actually defend themselves in a meaningful way, can we?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I'm no scholar, though, I just like reading all things Iranian history.

It's my belief that ME sociopolitical history is the most fascinating topic. It's revolting and mesmerizing at the same time.

[NC_Skins]

This thread is about NSA, not about ME history. Take that shit over to the ME thread. thanks.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This thread is about NSA, not about ME history. Take that shit over to the ME thread. thanks.

Good call.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I'd like a number, you seem unwilling to admit that the figures are difficult to get. You mentioned 200K although my numbers come out at 143K, a considerable difference.



I was hoping for something less shrill in its bias. I'll keep looking.



<point_laugh> pompous ass



Horrific and largely false: UN Watch OIC driven BS.

The council has criticized Israel on 27 separate occasions, in resolutions that grant effective impunity to Hamas, Hezbollah and their state sponsors. Obsessed with condemning Israel, the Council in its first year failed to condemn human rights violations occurring in any of the world’s 191 other countries. In its second year, the Council finally criticized one other country when it “deplored” the situation in Burma, but only after it censored out initial language containing the word “condemn.” It even praised Sudan for its "cooperation." In its third year,

The Council’s fixation with Israel is not limited to resolutions. Israel is the only country listed on the Council’s permanent agenda. Moreover, Israel is the only country subjected to an investigatory mandate that examines the actions of only one side, presumes those actions to be violations, and which is not subject to regular review.



Can't have those pesky Israelis actually defend themselves in a meaningful way, can we?

If you read my links, you would see that I provided numbers including 200,000. If you read my links, you would find information on Israeli human rights violations from Nobel-prize-winning Amnesty International, not the OIC.

But fine, have it your way: there are 143,000 Palestinian Christians who face the same human rights violations that Palestinian Muslims face. So, to bring this discussion back to its start, we know that calling out Israel for its human rights violations has NOTHING to do with being pro-Islam, as you previously stated. Instead, calling out Israel and questioning American involvement has everything to do with justice.

Please learn about the issue before you pontificate more.

Matty and NC, I heard you. I'm done.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This thread is about NSA, not about ME history. Take that shit over to the ME thread. thanks.

Blame Ruhskins...... post 116.

[NC_Skins]

[RedskinRat]

^ nice!