Winning

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Your nominee lied on the stand about his drinking habits and terms commonly used in those days. His former friends and roommates literally said they had witnessed him blackout drunk on multiple occasions.

What kind of judge lies under oath? The one who knows he's going to get backed by the ruling party unless something absolutely damning comes out.

I never mentioned the Avenatti bitch because nobody credible was taking her seriously.

I never even said I believe his accuser, because I wasn't fucking there and have no idea if it happened.

All I said was a federal judge lied under oath about his drinking based off the knowledge of those who hung out with him in those days.

The President chose to have the FBI investigation because he could control the FBI investigation. Why does the FBI investigation even matter when he shits on them daily for investigating him? One minute they're dogshit, but they're totally credible when investigating her claims? Get the fuck out of here.

I concede it was a political hit job. I also say if that it did happen, do you really think Ford should've kept her mouth shut when the guy she says did it is being nominated to a lifetime post in the highest court of the land?

The problem with sexual assault allegations is unless there's a witness or DNA evidence, it's word against word. Her accusation was doomed from the start because she has neither.

And yes, I do believe when all your former friends from college are saying you had a rep for being a blackout drunk who got feisty, and that you're lying under oath for a job interview for a lifetime position of power over a nation, that political hit jobs are necessary.

When Senate Republicans are adamant that 6-8 months or whatever time it was between Garland gets nominated and they even refuse to consider him saying they don't have enough time, yet turn around the next year and try to speed rush a fucking SC justice through before the midterms in one month because they're afraid of losing the majority, can me & mine afford to sit back and play by their rules? The rules change depending on what's necessary for the ruling party to maintain power. It's bullshit.

But the worst bullshit is that come November, every goddamn Republican is going to head to the polls while my friends stay at fucking home because no matter what I or anyone say, they think their vote doesn't fucking matter.

But why do you give a fuck?

As long as the economy keeps growing you and Cred are in the black baby!

+1,

[MTK]

Mooby with the mic drop

[Chico23231]

Y’all know it was political hit job with little merit and if you admit it’s a hit job, then the rest is bullshit.

Folks celebrated the fbi investigation and the scope of that review was left to the senate and not the president. Now when it doesn’t produce an outcome you want...here come the conspiracy theories.

One minute the fbi is saving the world for investigating unfounded Russian ties and next trump is running the fbi somehow controlling Big Kavy investigation. It’s like Comey...when Comey is talking about Hillary he is scapegoat for losing the election and when he is fired, he is treated as a savior for dems.

I just want it to end...

[Schneed10]

Mooby your post is excellent. You highlighted all that is currently wrong in DC.

Here’s where I come down. We have a nominee whose record as a lawyer and judge is exemplary. Everyone he’s worked with as a judge has been complimentary of both his work and his character.

We have believable accusations from Ford that can’t be corroborated, and we have a lot of evidence that there was oodles of drunken behavior in college.

Ultimately, his record as a judge is more recent, more pertinent to the job he’s nominated to do, and a lot longer in years.

So not to dismiss Ford’s trauma, but Mooby given your brilliant assessment of the nasty political climate we’re in, is anybody shocked that Cavanaugh responded strongly, including some lying about the extent to which he got drunk in college? His stretching of the truth there is yet another symptom of the toxicicity on Capital Hill.

I won’t make excuses for him. But what I’m saying is that DC has lowered the bar such that defensive fibbing about drinking habits from 35 years ago is understandable. And in the grand scheme, I’ll set that aside and accept his nomination as supportable because ultimately his record as a judge matters to me more than how he responded to an obvious political hit.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Mooby your post is excellent. You highlighted all that is currently wrong in DC.

Here’s where I come down. We have a nominee whose record as a lawyer and judge is exemplary. Everyone he’s worked with as a judge has been complimentary of both his work and his character.

We have believable accusations from Ford that can’t be corroborated, and we have a lot of evidence that there was oodles of drunken behavior in college.

Ultimately, his record as a judge is more recent, more pertinent to the job he’s nominated to do, and a lot longer in years.

So not to dismiss Ford’s trauma, but Mooby given your brilliant assessment of the nasty political climate we’re in, is anybody shocked that Cavanaugh responded strongly, including some lying about the extent to which he got drunk in college? His stretching of the truth there is yet another symptom of the toxicicity on Capital Hill.

I won’t make excuses for him. But what I’m saying is that DC has lowered the bar such that defensive fibbing about drinking habits from 35 years ago is understandable. And in the grand scheme, I’ll set that aside and accept his nomination as supportable because ultimately his record as a judge matters to me more than how he responded to an obvious political hit.

His drinking was a gotcha question. The worst sneaky fucking kind. If he answered yes, he got black out drunk before, the next question is so you have no way of knowing you assaulted Ford or whoever else they want to throw forwards, because you've been blacked out before? We all know blackout drunk, doesn't equal sexual assault, otherwise many of us, myself included, should be in prison. But that's not how that would have went down. We're in a sad place, on both sides (probably been like this before my time too), where party matters over truth. The ends justify the means.

In regards to whoever is on the supreme court, if you don't make your rulings based on the constitution, you should not be there. Don't care what side you're on. The SC was never supposed to be politicized like it is now. Says a lot about the "leaders" we have voted into office.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Mooby I don’t want this to become the norm...political hit job have no place in this process. Just continues to divide the country...it’s terrible.

And I could careless if Big Kavy blackout drinking in college...everyone was weekly. like if someone smoked a lot of weed...who cares. Shit that’s what made college fun as hell. And it just wasn’t guys either, I knew a lot of Sorority girls and reg chicks into hard drugs. It’s college!

I think we can agree the best news of the day:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...005-story.html

He is guilty and it’s a shame the FOP doesn’t realize something needs to change in the department

Agree 100% on the link being great news.

[Chico23231]

Everyone should read Susan Collins speech on Big Kavy...talk about presenting facts...she knocks it out the park. Thank god we have folks like this still in Congress.

I’ll say it again: Facts don’t care about your feelings. Collins is simply brilliant here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...anaugh-n917226

[MTK]

Just remember folks it’s a scary time to be a guy, meanwhile women are doing great.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Mooby your post is excellent. You highlighted all that is currently wrong in DC.

Here’s where I come down. We have a nominee whose record as a lawyer and judge is exemplary. Everyone he’s worked with as a judge has been complimentary of both his work and his character.

We have believable accusations from Ford that can’t be corroborated, and we have a lot of evidence that there was oodles of drunken behavior in college.

Ultimately, his record as a judge is more recent, more pertinent to the job he’s nominated to do, and a lot longer in years.

So not to dismiss Ford’s trauma, but Mooby given your brilliant assessment of the nasty political climate we’re in, is anybody shocked that Cavanaugh responded strongly, including some lying about the extent to which he got drunk in college? His stretching of the truth there is yet another symptom of the toxicicity on Capital Hill.

I won’t make excuses for him. But what I’m saying is that DC has lowered the bar such that defensive fibbing about drinking habits from 35 years ago is understandable. And in the grand scheme, I’ll set that aside and accept his nomination as supportable because ultimately his record as a judge matters to me more than how he responded to an obvious political hit.

This is the most disgusting aspect to me. Lying about inside high school dumb jock jokes and drinking and yet somehow we are okay giving him a lifetime appointment. I do not agree with him politically but I would have had so much more respect if he said "Yeah Renate Alumni is exactly what it sounds like. I was a teenager with undeveloped executive functioning and know it was not appropriate to make those statements nor indicative of who I am now." Based on the testimony alone that cannot be corroborated he should get the nomination and in my opinion would have with out lying.

I know as you pointed out the toxicity of Capitol Hill this approach would've been polarizing there, but I have to believe that he would've been appointed and that it had the opportunity to have a galvanizing effect and not have the dividing effect that it will.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

This is the most disgusting aspect to me. Lying about inside high school dumb jock jokes and drinking and yet somehow we are okay giving him a lifetime appointment. I do not agree with him politically but I would have had so much more respect if he said "Yeah Renate Alumni is exactly what it sounds like. I was a teenager with undeveloped executive functioning and know it was not appropriate to make those statements nor indicative of who I am now." Based on the testimony alone that cannot be corroborated he should get the nomination and in my opinion would have with out lying.

I know as you pointed out the toxicity of Capitol Hill this approach would've been polarizing there, but I have to believe that he would've been appointed and that it had the opportunity to have a galvanizing effect and not have the dividing effect that it will.

How do you know this or base this on?

what it appears to me is folks are trying to grasp at this point to anything to oppose Kavy, no matter how ridiculous it is.

I suggest you read the Susan Collins speech, there are a litany of facts about the circus, but most importantly their is a clear record of his judicial record. You may be surprised and find yourself agreeing with his decisions on important cases.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Just remember folks it’s a scary time to be a guy, meanwhile women are doing great.

The threats against Susan Collins and her ability to not be bullied are something else, huh?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

This is the most disgusting aspect to me. Lying about inside high school dumb jock jokes and drinking and yet somehow we are okay giving him a lifetime appointment. I do not agree with him politically but I would have had so much more respect if he said "Yeah Renate Alumni is exactly what it sounds like. I was a teenager with undeveloped executive functioning and know it was not appropriate to make those statements nor indicative of who I am now." Based on the testimony alone that cannot be corroborated he should get the nomination and in my opinion would have with out lying.

I know as you pointed out the toxicity of Capitol Hill this approach would've been polarizing there, but I have to believe that he would've been appointed and that it had the opportunity to have a galvanizing effect and not have the dividing effect that it will.

Well said, you might be right. If DC is going to start acting like adults again it has to start somewhere.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The threats against Susan Collins and her ability to not be bullied are something else, huh?

what threats? Bullied,let's talk about a bully?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well said, you might be right. If DC is going to start acting like adults again it has to start somewhere.

Honest question, do you think that can happen with trump in the WH?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

His drinking was a gotcha question. The worst sneaky fucking kind. If he answered yes, he got black out drunk before, the next question is so you have no way of knowing you assaulted Ford or whoever else they want to throw forwards, because you've been blacked out before? We all know blackout drunk, doesn't equal sexual assault, otherwise many of us, myself included, should be in prison. But that's not how that would have went down. We're in a sad place, on both sides (probably been like this before my time too), where party matters over truth. The ends justify the means.

In regards to whoever is on the supreme court, if you don't make your rulings based on the constitution, you should not be there. Don't care what side you're on. The SC was never supposed to be politicized like it is now. Says a lot about the "leaders" we have voted into office.

You’re right about the gotcha aspect.

As for the politicization of the SC, I actually think that’s overblown by a) people’s fears over Roe v Wade and b) the media highlighting all the times a judge ruled in favor of one political mindset and failing to mention all the times he voted in favor of the other.

We’ve seen Roberts go in unexpected directions as a SC justice and he was supposedly one of the most conservative. I think their leanings are consequential, but they still stick to the interpretations of the written statutes and constitution.