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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Blame Ruhskins...... post 116.

I just made a point about revisiting our foreign policy (including our support for Isreal) so the government doesn't have to resort to illegal tactics to fight the war on terrorism. But given your response (which is typical of the majority of the people in this country) this is something that will never happen.

[Chico23231]

Venezuela, Bolivia offer asylum to U.S. intel leaker Snowden - CNN.com

Thats great South America supporting traitors. Well lets see Snowden try to get there, hopefully we get him before.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Venezuela, Bolivia offer asylum to U.S. intel leaker Snowden - CNN.com

Thats great South America supporting traitors. Well lets see Snowden try to get there, hopefully we get him before.

Calling Seal team 6,calling Seal team 6.....over.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Venezuela, Bolivia offer asylum to U.S. intel leaker Snowden - CNN.com

Thats great South America supporting traitors. Well lets see Snowden try to get there, hopefully we get him before.

Why are people calling him traitors? Wouldn't the traitors be the people actually going against the Constitution? (our government) I'm boggled as to how you all think it's ok for our government to disregard the 4th amendment.


The real traitors are the people that support the government's actions.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why are people calling him traitors? Wouldn't the traitors be the people actually going against the Constitution? (our government) I'm boggled as to how you all think it's ok for our government to disregard the 4th amendment.


The real traitors are the people that support the government's actions.

You know why its so easy for the government to pull the wool over the country's eyes, because they have so many sheep to sheer.

say the phrase national security and a huge herd of sheep come running over offering lots of wool in the form of excuses and tirades and exaggerated threats.

There are other catch phrases too, each one designed to set off pavlovian responses in the target audience.

today we are fighting the blue army, tomorrow it may be the red.

[Chico23231]

I dont know any hero that blows the whistle and then runs to China and then Russia for help. Shoulda stayed in the states and told the story.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I dont know any hero that blows the whistle and then runs to China and then Russia for help. Shoulda stayed in the states and told the story.

They aren't going to let him tell any story here in the states. If you notice, the media has been on par with the government. It's not shocking to see who runs the media when they want to.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I dont know any hero that blows the whistle and then runs to China and then Russia for help. Shoulda stayed in the states and told the story.

Do you want to stay in a country where the Government is going to do all it can to quiet what you are saying. And I am not excluding any possibilities when I say quiet. Someone posted a picture/clip of Pres. Obama when he was candidate Sen Obama blasting Pres. Bush for going after whistleblowers. If Pres Obama wanted to show a difference, he could have offered immunity from prosecution to Snowden, then let the story play out. That would have been change to believe in. But now nearly 6 years after candidate Obama vowed to close Guantanemo, it is still open (for good or bad). We are still in Afghanistan (losing lives every day) and our government still operates secret courts with no oversight or true constitutional guarantees.

This isn't a tirade against Pres Obama, but a statement that there are parts of this government that are secretive, unchecked and unconstitutional, and that is a danger to the US way of life.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I dont know any hero that blows the whistle and then runs to China and then Russia for help. Shoulda stayed in the states and told the story.

I agree 100% with you. I mean he told the story and then he was like I don't care if you use my real name, I'm ready to accept whatever consequences I face...and yet, here we are playing "Where In The World Is Carnen San Diego" with him

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I agree 100% with you. I mean he told the story and then he was like I don't care if you use my real name, I'm ready to accept whatever consequences I face...and yet, here we are playing "Where In The World Is Carnen San Diego" with him

Yeah, he really should have stayed around so he could be locked up in solitary confinement with nobody ever hearing a peep from him until he's convicted through our busted ass judicial system.

I think I'll take this guys advice before anybody. He should know, he was in the same situation pretty much.

Daniel Ellsberg: NSA leaker Snowden made the right call - The Washington Post

He would almost certainly be confined in total isolation, even longer than the more than eight months Manning suffered during his three years of imprisonment before his trial began recently. The United Nations Special Rapporteur for Torture described Manning’s conditions as “cruel, inhuman and degrading.” (That realistic prospect, by itself, is grounds for most countries granting Snowden asylum, if they could withstand bullying and bribery from the United States.)

[Chico23231]

^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.

Really? How much access has Bradley Manning had? Do tell.


Exactly how are people's lives at stake? You are parroting the exact same statement as many of these governmental agencies/politicians. This isn't a situation where operatives are being outed. Hell, Cheney outed a CIA agent and got Haliburton stock increases, not a jail sentence.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Do you want to stay in a country where the Government is going to do all it can to quiet what you are saying. And I am not excluding any possibilities when I say quiet. Someone posted a picture/clip of Pres. Obama when he was candidate Sen Obama blasting Pres. Bush for going after whistleblowers. If Pres Obama wanted to show a difference, he could have offered immunity from prosecution to Snowden, then let the story play out. That would have been change to believe in. But now nearly 6 years after candidate Obama vowed to close Guantanemo, it is still open (for good or bad). We are still in Afghanistan (losing lives every day) and our government still operates secret courts with no oversight or true constitutional guarantees.

This isn't a tirade against Pres Obama, but a statement that there are parts of this government that are secretive, unchecked and unconstitutional, and that is a danger to the US way of life.

Snowden is a creepy white cracker and gets what ever is coming to him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.

This is probably where you and I just roll our eyes and let the anarchists run the asylum

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This is probably where you and I just roll our eyes and let the anarchists run the asylum

Exactly what does this have to do with anarchists? This isn't about whether government is bad.


The issue at hand here:

1) We have a Constitution that provides for the protection of people's privacy through the 4th amendment.

2) We have a government currently breaking this amendment.

3) We have a informant that rats out the governments illegal activities.

4) We have our politicians backing said program even though they never attended NSA security meeting.

5) We have a president that in 2008 lauded that we needed people within our government to out such illegal activities, yet is now trying to charge such a person with espionage.


This has nothing to do anarchy.