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12-22-2009, 02:04 PM
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Uncle Phil
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The Worst of Vinny
In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?
Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line" Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor? Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis? Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington? Was it drafting a punter?
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12-22-2009, 02:06 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
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12-22-2009, 02:06 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
was he responsible for letting Antoine Pierce go? If so that was big oops.
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12-22-2009, 02:07 PM
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Uncle Phil
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
Only looking at the last two years when he was the man firmly in charge.
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12-22-2009, 02:10 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
His drafting of multiple linebackers in the midrounds this year was the worst. If we were gonna put Rak at LB, we didn't need to draft Henson and Glenn. We could have used those picks on o-linemen.
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12-22-2009, 02:11 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
It was the Jason Taylor trade but not simply for the draft picks. It was the fact that he didn't consider how Taylor would fit in with and be used by Greg Blache and how he was doing everything other than what made him a great player. He was a poor fit, that's why it was an awful move.
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12-22-2009, 02:12 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
if i have to chose one i'd say jason taylor just cause he did nothing here took our money and our draft picks down to miami with him and the 6th pick is in this years draft so that one still stings
kelly is a damn close second but he still has a slimmer of a chance to do something for us
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12-22-2009, 02:12 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
That Jason Taylor trade was just downright awful.
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12-22-2009, 02:14 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
Very interesting question. At the time, I would have said drafting Fred Davis. However, in retrospect, it was one of his more brilliant moves. In retrospect, trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor for two years seemed like a pretty good idea. However in retrospect, Taylor was injured, misused by Blache, and a complete waste of a draft picks, a roster spot and salary cap space.
Drafting a punter in the 6th was not a bad move at all either. We needed a punter badly and Brooks looked like a great pick at the time. Reaching for Rinehart, on the other hand, was another bad move. I also think we should have resigned Washington after the draft (allowing Orakpo to play DE full-time) would have been a great move; however i think our failing to do so had more to do with Blache than anyone else.
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12-22-2009, 02:17 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
I really want to like Malcolm Kelly for some reason. He seems like a good who has the physical and mental make-up to be a good NFL receiver, but between his knee injuries, the fact that we had just drafted Thomas and Davis, and how much help we needed on both lines I don't really see how Vinny was able to justify taking Kelly when he did.
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12-22-2009, 02:20 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta 3. Not Resigning Pierce 4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Ducket 5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor |
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12-22-2009, 02:21 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
The Jason Taylor trade was an awful panic move. I never wanted Malcolm Kelly, and I still could pretty much care less about him. I'd love to see him succeed, but I don't see it.
As good as Fred Davis has looked, I would say taking him instead of Desean Jackson. D-Jack was taken the very next pick, and the kid is out of his mind. He would have given us a lights out deep threat and solved our punt return issues in one foul swoop. Really overall though, I've got say Vinny's inability to build an offensive line despite it being our by far our most glaring deficiency is his biggest failure.
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12-22-2009, 02:22 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
How about what got him fired and what is our current main problem.
Not addressing the OL during his tenure here.
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12-22-2009, 02:23 PM
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Re: The Worst of Vinny
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12-22-2009, 02:25 PM
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