Quarterback

MTK · 12-23-2009, 08:55 AM

I think it would be dumb to not at least tender JC.

Longtimefan · 12-23-2009, 09:16 AM

Jason Campbell has been one of the most difficult QB's to "truly" evaluate, mainly because of all the breakdowns surrounding him. The sum of his games as a starter have been uneven at best. I would not like to see him walk without some form of compensation so I would deffinately tender him.

bigant · 12-23-2009, 10:02 AM

j.c is not the qb to lead us to the promise land, hell of classy guy,but he is not are answer at the qb spot, how about j. clausen from ND as are next qb?

Paintrain · 12-23-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins247

Ok...so before you roll your eyes thinking this is another bash Campbell thread, just wait....with the imminent changes that are about to take place in this offseason, it's only natural to consider the most important position on the field. As of now, Campbell will be a restricted free agent after this year. If someone like the Browns or Rams or Raiders offer him a decent contract, do you think Bruce Allen has seen enough to match it? I think we all know Danny's view on Campbell.

Or would you be willing to roll the dice with drafting one of the qb's in the draft and starting with him, OR having him back up and let Collins be the starter until the rookie seems ready. Collins has always come in and looked good off the bench, but could he be our Kurt Warner? Or Rich Gannon??

Is there still any hope of Colt Brennan?

Of our 4 QB on the roster today (Campbell, Collins, Brennan, Bartel) the only one I'd expect back in '10 is Campbell. There's no reason for Shanahan (allegedly) to come in and keep a 39 year old Collins, a 3rd stringer who barely made the team and was on IR anyways and a guy who was picked up in week 10 of the previous season. I'd expect the new coach to either re-sign Campbell or sign a younger veteran QB (Kellen Clemens?) and draft a QB in the 2nd or 4th rounds. I also wouldn't be at all surprised, especially if it's Shanahan, if we re-signed Campbell, traded for Sage Rosenfels and drafted a QB. Rosenfels was pushing Schaub for the Texans job a couple of years back and knows the offense. That would provide a quality backup for JC and legitimate competition if he somehow struggles in camp.

Summo · 12-23-2009, 10:12 AM

Obviously they need to get an offensive line otherwise it doesn’t matter who you have as a QB because your going to get him killed. But if they can get some o-line help why not see if they can make a move for Matt Leinart? I think giving the right situation and a change of scenery he would evolve into a good QB. I would imagine that Arizona has those plans for him sitting behind Warner but who knows perhaps he as wore out his welcome there? and I would probably cost a number of draft picks. Just a thought.

rbanerjee23 · 12-23-2009, 10:23 AM

why not trade the number one pick for more second rounders, make the tough decision to give up cooley for a 2nd and 4th (or something like that) and have enough picks to both build up the line as well as pick up a decent QB in the second or third round.

Why are people so sold on Clausen, Bradford etc. For every Matt Ryan, there are like 5 Ryan Leafs. We could have just as much success with a qb in the second. O line is a lot less hit and miss in my opinion and should be our primary focus

MTK · 12-23-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Jason Campbell has been one of the most difficult QB's to "truly" evaluate, mainly because of all the breakdowns surrounding him. The sum of his games as a starter have been uneven at best. I would not like to see him walk without some form of compensation so I would deffinately tender him.

I totally agree

dmek25 · 12-23-2009, 11:30 AM

if he is tendered a contract, does that guarantee him a certain pay? or is just if someone signs an offer sheet?

Chico23231 · 12-23-2009, 11:33 AM

The focus of our offseason needs to be the building of much new and improved O-line and then decisions about a depleted RB position. QB IMO is far down the list at this point.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-23-2009, 11:50 AM

What do we do if there IS a CBA extension and salary cap? We'd have to franchise him and that's pretty expensive, isnt it?

Trample the Elderly · 12-23-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Even if the Redskins decide to tender Campbell, whatever compensation they set for him is just a starting point for discussions. Other teams wouldn't necessarily be locked into that

Please explain in detail. From my understanding if another teams makes an offer we can match that team. If Soup takes the other team we're compensated draft picks. Is this because Soup was a number 1 or because the other team would be giving us they're picks. Who gives the Skins the picks?

Son Of Man · 12-23-2009, 12:34 PM

A new coach means ANOTHER new offense for JC to learn. Isn't that the reason his supporters give for his lack of development? Even with a new line, he would have to start over and learn a new playbook (and yes a new version of the WCO means a new playbook)...rendering him again uneffective. I would hope that Allen and his team would tender JC and find the best trade value from a QB starved team like the Bills, Rams, 49ers or Browns. I would be estatic if we secured a high 2nd round pick (the Rams for instance allowing them to draft Suh with their 1st) and were able to use it to get Colt McCoy who Kiper sees as a prototypical Shanahan QB a la Jake Plummer. Say what you want about the QB from Texas...he is a proven leader, has no fear of scrambling, has proven he can take a whipping, and when the game is on the line he puts drives together, not to mention his illustriuos resume and years of starting experience. Him with an upgraded line and a run first offense could be pretty good for a couple of years while he develops and we build the surrounding talent. Bring in a veteran FA to start in 2010 until the rookie is ready (if possible). Release TC and give CB another preseason to see if he can be a contributor.

diehardskin2982 · 12-23-2009, 01:02 PM

The return of Patrick Ramsey...

SmootSmack · 12-23-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Please explain in detail. From my understanding if another teams makes an offer we can match that team. If Soup takes the other team we're compensated draft picks. Is this because Soup was a number 1 or because the other team would be giving us they're picks. Who gives the Skins the picks?

Well, for example, let's say the Redskins say they want a 2nd and a 6th for Campbell. San Francisco calls and says we're interested but we only want to offer a 3rd. Then the Redskins ok, well what if we throw in Chris Horton then what can we get? And the Niners say two 3rds (2010 and 2011). So yeah we're compensated but not necessarily at the price we set.

CrackBack · 12-23-2009, 01:46 PM

I don't think that JC has ever been in a position to succeed in DC. Bad coaching, O line, streaky receivers, new coaching, etc...

He may not be our future, but I think he will be a good QB somehwere.

12-23-2009, 08:55 AM	#16
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,411	Re: Quarterback I think it would be dumb to not at least tender JC. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-23-2009, 09:16 AM	#17
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Quarterback Jason Campbell has been one of the most difficult QB's to "truly" evaluate, mainly because of all the breakdowns surrounding him. The sum of his games as a starter have been uneven at best. I would not like to see him walk without some form of compensation so I would deffinately tender him.

12-23-2009, 10:02 AM	#18
bigant Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: garfield new jersey Posts: 158	Re: Quarterback j.c is not the qb to lead us to the promise land, hell of classy guy,but he is not are answer at the qb spot, how about j. clausen from ND as are next qb?

12-23-2009, 10:12 AM	#20
Summo The Bringer of Digital Bling Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lindenhurst NY Age: 54 Posts: 892	Re: Quarterback Obviously they need to get an offensive line otherwise it doesn’t matter who you have as a QB because your going to get him killed. But if they can get some o-line help why not see if they can make a move for Matt Leinart? I think giving the right situation and a change of scenery he would evolve into a good QB. I would imagine that Arizona has those plans for him sitting behind Warner but who knows perhaps he as wore out his welcome there? and I would probably cost a number of draft picks. Just a thought. __________________ My Website Visit my Socials: Twitter: @summo13 IGram:@summo13art

12-23-2009, 10:23 AM	#21
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: Quarterback why not trade the number one pick for more second rounders, make the tough decision to give up cooley for a 2nd and 4th (or something like that) and have enough picks to both build up the line as well as pick up a decent QB in the second or third round. Why are people so sold on Clausen, Bradford etc. For every Matt Ryan, there are like 5 Ryan Leafs. We could have just as much success with a qb in the second. O line is a lot less hit and miss in my opinion and should be our primary focus __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

12-23-2009, 11:30 AM	#23
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Quarterback if he is tendered a contract, does that guarantee him a certain pay? or is just if someone signs an offer sheet? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-23-2009, 11:33 AM	#24
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,295	Re: Quarterback The focus of our offseason needs to be the building of much new and improved O-line and then decisions about a depleted RB position. QB IMO is far down the list at this point. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

12-23-2009, 11:50 AM	#25
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Quarterback What do we do if there IS a CBA extension and salary cap? We'd have to franchise him and that's pretty expensive, isnt it? __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

12-23-2009, 12:34 PM	#27
Son Of Man Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 643	Re: Quarterback A new coach means ANOTHER new offense for JC to learn. Isn't that the reason his supporters give for his lack of development? Even with a new line, he would have to start over and learn a new playbook (and yes a new version of the WCO means a new playbook)...rendering him again uneffective. I would hope that Allen and his team would tender JC and find the best trade value from a QB starved team like the Bills, Rams, 49ers or Browns. I would be estatic if we secured a high 2nd round pick (the Rams for instance allowing them to draft Suh with their 1st) and were able to use it to get Colt McCoy who Kiper sees as a prototypical Shanahan QB a la Jake Plummer. Say what you want about the QB from Texas...he is a proven leader, has no fear of scrambling, has proven he can take a whipping, and when the game is on the line he puts drives together, not to mention his illustriuos resume and years of starting experience. Him with an upgraded line and a run first offense could be pretty good for a couple of years while he develops and we build the surrounding talent. Bring in a veteran FA to start in 2010 until the rookie is ready (if possible). Release TC and give CB another preseason to see if he can be a contributor. __________________ RG3 or bust!!!!!!!!!!

12-23-2009, 01:02 PM	#28
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Quarterback The return of Patrick Ramsey... __________________ That got ugly fast

12-23-2009, 01:46 PM	#30
CrackBack Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CT Posts: 42	Re: Quarterback I don't think that JC has ever been in a position to succeed in DC. Bad coaching, O line, streaky receivers, new coaching, etc... He may not be our future, but I think he will be a good QB somehwere.

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