Coles refusing to rework contract

MTK · 02-23-2005, 12:26 AM

Getting more interesting by the minute, check out this BS

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb22.html

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-23-2005, 12:35 AM

Jesus, I thought the offseason was the 'Skins' opportunity to shine. I don't like the tone this mess sets for the team going into 2005.

Daseal · 02-23-2005, 12:35 AM

Heh - expect him to be here then. If they don't get things moving he's cheaper to have here disgruntled (playing or not) than to drop.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-23-2005, 12:38 AM

I agree Daseal, I don't think we could afford to cut Coles....even if we cut or rework Samuels' contract. My understanding is that we needed to rework Samuels' contract in order to get some cap room to sign players in free agency. We can't lose that room just to accomodate Coles' release.

itvnetop · 02-23-2005, 12:44 AM

maybe i'm in the minority here, but i kinda feel for samuels... he's already reworked his contract twice and although he's not performed up to expectations, i don't know why he should be asked to rework it again. if anything, chris samuels has been the ultimate skins player- kept his mouth shut, played through injury (although inconsistently), AND he's reworked his contract twice.

most players would have tried to bounce much earlier and some who we thought were "gibbs guys" (on their own recognizance) are on their way out. now if samuels refuses to rework for a third time, is he not a true redskin? how many times do you have to do your part to "help the team" (if that means backloading your contract/bonus) before you begin to think about yourself?

Gmanc711 · 02-23-2005, 01:02 AM

I agree to a point itvnetop. I do think that Samuels has pushed it back twice already, and has done some things for the good of the team. I think if the team offers him some good bonus money, I would like to see him restrucutre, because that is all that is gaurneeted to him. The fact that he has already reworked it twice wouldnt make me bitter towards him if he dosent for a thrid time.....

...now Coles on the other hand. wtf. Do these guys realize anything but themsleves. Coles refusal to rework a new contract is freaking bullsh*t. So let me get this straight; you sign a 7 year deal, and want out after two years. So the team is trying to possibly let you get out of your deal, but needs you to rework the contract and you say no? You expect the skins' to take that freaking cap hit for your @$$ when you arent doing a god damn thing for us, except b*tch, complain,not honoring yoru contract, and now refusing to rework the contract so that we can get you out of here? Whatever dude, thats bush league. I love how you play on Sundays, but damn this is messed up.

itvnetop · 02-23-2005, 01:12 AM

i totally agree re: coles gmanc... what LC's doing ain't that cool in my book- especially after the skins hooked him up Phat (with a capital P) and especially, as you pointed out, with the skins trying to do their best to fulfill his wish. the organization has make this deal work for them as well, and if LC ain't cool with that, looks like he can either sit and pout as a skin next year (further devaluing himself for a future team) or he can play balls out.

redwagonskins · 02-23-2005, 01:45 AM

Why is there no cry and hue for Brunell to rework his contract? It seems like every year Samuels has to go through this but the ultimate underperformer isn't being asked to do anything.

offiss · 02-23-2005, 02:29 AM

I really don't have a prob. with Cole's, he want's to win and he want's the ball, if I was a WR in that offense that I watched last year I would be screaming at the top of my lung's as well, I am supposed to bust my a** for what? Nothing! IMO Gibb's coached like a scared old lady last season like the world would end if we threw the ball 5 yard's past the line of scrimmage, then Coles had to sit through half a season while Gibb's forced Brunell down everyone's throat's, I don't blame him one bit, but if he want's out he's going to half to make it worth our while to do so and that mean's signing bonus money and accomadate a trade, I think the Jet's will probably come through with their #1 for Coles if we throw in Morton, that is the scenerio that work's for everyone the Jet's have a late #1 and need a reciever and everyone know's how much Pennington loves Cole's, the Jet's figure that trade will put them over I wouldn't settle for less, other wise he stay's.

MTK · 02-23-2005, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Why is there no cry and hue for Brunell to rework his contract? It seems like every year Samuels has to go through this but the ultimate underperformer isn't being asked to do anything.

I've heard Brunell may be approached at some point for a restructure but right now we've obviously got more pressing issues.

BrudLee · 02-23-2005, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Why is there no cry and hue for Brunell to rework his contract? It seems like every year Samuels has to go through this but the ultimate underperformer isn't being asked to do anything.

Keep in mind that a "simple restructure" to reduce cap hits would only reduce his guaranteed salary for this year by converting it into bonus - thereby increasing the hit later. If the Skins were to do that, it would make Brunell harder to get rid of later.

redwagonskins · 02-23-2005, 11:55 AM

Ah, that makes sense. His contract is really going to kill us in a couple of years though.

MTK · 02-23-2005, 09:47 AM

This little blurb in the Times should make us feel a little better

Quote:

Washington appears very interested in former Tennessee Titans wide receiver Derrick Mason, who led NFL wideouts with 96 catches last season but was cut this week in a cap purge.

As for Coles, I don't understand what he's thinking. If he wants outta here so badly he's gonna have to work with the team on this. And that means giving up his bonus, there's just no way we can afford to take a $9M cap hit for him.

If we can't work a trade I'm starting to think we should just tell him to suck it up and honor his contract.

This is just ridiculous.

CrazyCanuck · 02-23-2005, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we can't work a trade I'm starting to think we should just tell him to suck it up and honor his contract.

You know Matty I'm starting to think the same way. Even if the guy gives back $6M, he'll still count $3M against our 2005 cap, but we won't have the player. If we can't get something back in return then maybe we just keep him for the same $3M cap hit and let him stew on the bench all year.

When his cap hit becomes $7M in 2006, then maybe we dump him. He'll have lost a year of playing time by then, be seen as a malcontent, and his market value will only go down.

I can't believe I'm bad mouthing Lav like this, but Matty's right, it's enough already.

monk81 · 02-23-2005, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This little blurb in the Times should make us feel a little better

As for Coles, I don't understand what he's thinking. If he wants outta here so badly he's gonna have to work with the team on this. And that means giving up his bonus, there's just no way we can afford to take a $9M cap hit for him.

If we can't work a trade I'm starting to think we should just tell him to suck it up and honor his contract.

This is just ridiculous.

I agree Matty.......Coles has to make a decision:

1. Does he want to keep his precious bonus??? OR
2. Does he want to get traded???

He can't have BOTH..........

02-23-2005, 12:35 AM	#2
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract Jesus, I thought the offseason was the 'Skins' opportunity to shine. I don't like the tone this mess sets for the team going into 2005.

02-23-2005, 12:35 AM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract Heh - expect him to be here then. If they don't get things moving he's cheaper to have here disgruntled (playing or not) than to drop.

02-23-2005, 12:38 AM	#4
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract I agree Daseal, I don't think we could afford to cut Coles....even if we cut or rework Samuels' contract. My understanding is that we needed to rework Samuels' contract in order to get some cap room to sign players in free agency. We can't lose that room just to accomodate Coles' release.

02-23-2005, 12:44 AM	#5
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract maybe i'm in the minority here, but i kinda feel for samuels... he's already reworked his contract twice and although he's not performed up to expectations, i don't know why he should be asked to rework it again. if anything, chris samuels has been the ultimate skins player- kept his mouth shut, played through injury (although inconsistently), AND he's reworked his contract twice. most players would have tried to bounce much earlier and some who we thought were "gibbs guys" (on their own recognizance) are on their way out. now if samuels refuses to rework for a third time, is he not a true redskin? how many times do you have to do your part to "help the team" (if that means backloading your contract/bonus) before you begin to think about yourself?

02-23-2005, 01:02 AM	#6
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 38 Posts: 7,506	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract I agree to a point itvnetop. I do think that Samuels has pushed it back twice already, and has done some things for the good of the team. I think if the team offers him some good bonus money, I would like to see him restrucutre, because that is all that is gaurneeted to him. The fact that he has already reworked it twice wouldnt make me bitter towards him if he dosent for a thrid time..... ...now Coles on the other hand. wtf. Do these guys realize anything but themsleves. Coles refusal to rework a new contract is freaking bullsht. So let me get this straight; you sign a 7 year deal, and want out after two years. So the team is trying to possibly let you get out of your deal, but needs you to rework the contract and you say no? You expect the skins' to take that freaking cap hit for your @$$ when you arent doing a god damn thing for us, except btch, complain,not honoring yoru contract, and now refusing to rework the contract so that we can get you out of here? Whatever dude, thats bush league. I love how you play on Sundays, but damn this is messed up. __________________ #21

02-23-2005, 12:26 AM	#1
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02-23-2005, 01:12 AM	#7
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract i totally agree re: coles gmanc... what LC's doing ain't that cool in my book- especially after the skins hooked him up Phat (with a capital P) and especially, as you pointed out, with the skins trying to do their best to fulfill his wish. the organization has make this deal work for them as well, and if LC ain't cool with that, looks like he can either sit and pout as a skin next year (further devaluing himself for a future team) or he can play balls out.

02-23-2005, 01:45 AM	#8
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract Why is there no cry and hue for Brunell to rework his contract? It seems like every year Samuels has to go through this but the ultimate underperformer isn't being asked to do anything.

02-23-2005, 02:29 AM	#9
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract I really don't have a prob. with Cole's, he want's to win and he want's the ball, if I was a WR in that offense that I watched last year I would be screaming at the top of my lung's as well, I am supposed to bust my a** for what? Nothing! IMO Gibb's coached like a scared old lady last season like the world would end if we threw the ball 5 yard's past the line of scrimmage, then Coles had to sit through half a season while Gibb's forced Brunell down everyone's throat's, I don't blame him one bit, but if he want's out he's going to half to make it worth our while to do so and that mean's signing bonus money and accomadate a trade, I think the Jet's will probably come through with their #1 for Coles if we throw in Morton, that is the scenerio that work's for everyone the Jet's have a late #1 and need a reciever and everyone know's how much Pennington loves Cole's, the Jet's figure that trade will put them over I wouldn't settle for less, other wise he stay's.

02-23-2005, 11:55 AM	#12
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Coles refusing to rework contract Ah, that makes sense. His contract is really going to kill us in a couple of years though.

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