Draft grades

MTK · 05-01-2023, 09:33 AM

2023 NFL Draft Grades: Mel Kiper Jr gives the Washington Commanders their highest score

skinsfaninok · 05-01-2023, 09:38 AM

I think a B is solid on paper right now.. The Defense has no excuse anymore of giving up big pass plays.

DL should have a bigger impact too with CY Being healthy.

I wish we had grabbed a TE / OL in the 2nd RD but hopefully it'll pan out for us in the end.

Excited to see Sam and Jacoby battle it out this summer

GridIron26 · 05-01-2023, 09:40 AM

Went with B since the draft wasn't exactly exciting but at the same time, the team filled in the DB and guard needs. Would have been better if we drafted a LB, although Keim did say that the team had a few LBs they were targeting but they weren't available. Time will tell how the team actually did with the draft.

MTK · 05-01-2023, 09:47 AM

Solid B for me too. Obviously we won't really know until 2-3 years but just grading it for what it is right now I like how we doubled down on the defense. The big thing this defense has lacked is big plays/turnovers. A young QB's best friends are a TE, running game, and a strong defense that can give you plenty of short field opportunities. The way NFL offenses operate these days you need a lot of talent and depth in the secondary.

skinsfaninok · 05-01-2023, 10:02 AM

This is why draft grades are meaningless though

sdskinsfan2001 · 05-01-2023, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

This is why draft grades are meaningless though

LOL. Wonder if this person is still doing mock drafts for a publication?

GridIron26 · 05-01-2023, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

This is why draft grades are meaningless though

sdskinsfan2001 · 05-01-2023, 10:12 AM

The draft is absolutely fantastic until proven otherwise. Fuck everyone's mock drafts and big boards. Those mean nothing. The men on the field is what counts.

Schneed10 · 05-01-2023, 10:30 AM

I didn't have Kam Curl pegged as a major bargain as a 7th rounder coming out of the draft a few years ago. I also didn't realize McLaurin was going to be much more than a standout special teamer. Neither did any of the talking head experts. Just pointing out tangible examples of how these grades are pretty meaningless.

Still I think you can focus instead on what the team did to position themselves to fill their needs. I thought they could have done more moving up / down to get in a spot where they could fill an offensive line position with a more promising player. The two guys they got might be fine but these are the rounds where we got Wes Martin so...

I think Mayhew and Rivera lack creativity and aggressiveness sometimes (all of the time?). That's a point of frustration for me. As for the players they actually landed, too early to tell but I can see the logic on both Forbes and Quan so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how well it works.

In the end, the things I think will make or break this season are whether Chase Young erupts into a star, and does EB get value out of Howell. The draft didn't really change that thinking for me whatsoever, like made no dent in it, so I can't give it more than a B.

skinsfaninok · 05-01-2023, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I didn't have Kam Curl pegged as a major bargain as a 7th rounder coming out of the draft a few years ago. I also didn't realize McLaurin was going to be much more than a standout special teamer. Neither did any of the talking head experts. Just pointing out tangible examples of how these grades are pretty meaningless.

Still I think you can focus instead on what the team did to position themselves to fill their needs. I thought they could have done more moving up / down to get in a spot where they could fill an offensive line position with a more promising player. The two guys they got might be fine but these are the rounds where we got Wes Martin so...

I think Mayhew and Rivera lack creativity and aggressiveness sometimes (all of the time?). That's a point of frustration for me. As for the players they actually landed, too early to tell but I can see the logic on both Forbes and Quan so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how well it works.

In the end, the things I think will make or break this season are whether Chase Young erupts into a star, and does EB get value out of Howell. The draft didn't really change that thinking for me whatsoever, like made no dent in it, so I can't give it more than a B.

Agree here, they are way too lackluster and content with the "process". It's a win now league and Ron has had 4 yrs now to win and hasn't

sdskinsfan2001 · 05-01-2023, 01:03 PM

Going to have a new owner this month. And we will either win 10+ games or have an all-new front office/coaching staff in 2024.

Times are good in Manderville!!

vallin21 · 05-01-2023, 01:11 PM

Solid B.

We drafted a playmaking CB in Forbes. A hybrid S, slot CB in Martin. Stromberg could start at C. Henry can contribute at DE. Kaz Allen could make the team as our PR/KR. Not drafting a TE is my only negative. Clearly they’re betting on a healthy Thomas, and improvement from Bates, and Turner.

sdskinsfan2001 · 05-01-2023, 01:55 PM

Biggest 2023 NFL draft questions for all 32 teams.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-all-32-teams

Did the Commanders improve their offensive line?

Washington's front struggled last season, allowing the seventh-most sacks in the NFL (48). The Commanders did add two starters in free agency in center Nick Gates and tackle/guard Andrew Wylie but did not draft a player who would be projected to start in 2023. That means they still have a void at left guard. But one of their past drafts might yield the winner there -- Saahdiq Charles (fourth round, 2020) or Chris Paul (seventh round, 2022). Third-round pick Ricky Stromberg also will have a shot, but his best spot might be center. The Commanders have good talent at running back and receiver and intriguing young tight ends, but need a stronger line to protect inexperienced quarterback Sam Howell.

-- John Keim

FrenchSkin · 05-01-2023, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Biggest 2023 NFL draft questions for all 32 teams.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-all-32-teams

Did the Commanders improve their offensive line?

Washington's front struggled last season, allowing the seventh-most sacks in the NFL (48). The Commanders did add two starters in free agency in center Nick Gates and tackle/guard Andrew Wylie but did not draft a player who would be projected to start in 2023. That means they still have a void at left guard. But one of their past drafts might yield the winner there -- Saahdiq Charles (fourth round, 2020) or Chris Paul (seventh round, 2022). Third-round pick Ricky Stromberg also will have a shot, but his best spot might be center. The Commanders have good talent at running back and receiver and intriguing young tight ends, but need a stronger line to protect inexperienced quarterback Sam Howell.

-- John Keim

This is exactly why I gave it a C. Granted, we know nothing right now.
But what we really don't know is wether or not we improved our Oline via the draft. Neither Stromberg nor Daniels are viewed like starters by most outside of Ashburn. I hope those analysts are wrong and Ron and co are right... But even when we were supposed to get studs in Wes Martin and Saadhiq Charles... they ended up not being starting material.

I see none of you really excited about those 2 players (the way some were for Charles ie), it just makes sense because we filled a need. But did we really ? Yeah I guess Oline depth is always a need... Anyway, I'm rambling, let's hope at least one of them turns into a solid starter for us.

sdskinsfan2001 · 05-01-2023, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

This is exactly why I gave it a C. Granted, we know nothing right now.
But what we really don't know is wether or not we improved our Oline via the draft. Neither Stromberg nor Daniels are viewed like starters by most outside of Ashburn. I hope those analysts are wrong and Ron and co are right... But even when we were supposed to get studs in Wes Martin and Saadhiq Charles... they ended up not being starting material.

I see none of view really excited about those 2 players (the way some were for Charles ie), it just makes sense because we filled a need. But did we really ? Yeah I guess Oline depth is always a need... Anyway, I'm rambling, let's hope at least one of them turns into a solid starter for us.

I like both guys we drafted for the OL. But it does kind of seem like the Martin through Daniels picks (2-4) were guys that were all bumped up a round by Rivera and Co. They could be right though. Who knows. I think they're all NFL players for 5+ years, but how good they'll be, no clue.

Innocent until proven guilty. Awesome until proven a pumpkin too. So I love this whole draft as of now lol.

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05-01-2023, 09:33 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,410	Draft grades 2023 NFL Draft Grades: Mel Kiper Jr gives the Washington Commanders their highest score __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-01-2023, 09:38 AM	#2
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 36,082	Re: Draft grades I think a B is solid on paper right now.. The Defense has no excuse anymore of giving up big pass plays. DL should have a bigger impact too with CY Being healthy. I wish we had grabbed a TE / OL in the 2nd RD but hopefully it'll pan out for us in the end. Excited to see Sam and Jacoby battle it out this summer __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

05-01-2023, 09:40 AM	#3
GridIron26 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Englewood, CO Age: 36 Posts: 3,365	Re: Draft grades Went with B since the draft wasn't exactly exciting but at the same time, the team filled in the DB and guard needs. Would have been better if we drafted a LB, although Keim did say that the team had a few LBs they were targeting but they weren't available. Time will tell how the team actually did with the draft.

05-01-2023, 09:47 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,410	Re: Draft grades Solid B for me too. Obviously we won't really know until 2-3 years but just grading it for what it is right now I like how we doubled down on the defense. The big thing this defense has lacked is big plays/turnovers. A young QB's best friends are a TE, running game, and a strong defense that can give you plenty of short field opportunities. The way NFL offenses operate these days you need a lot of talent and depth in the secondary. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-01-2023, 10:02 AM	#5
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 36,082	Re: Draft grades This is why draft grades are meaningless though __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

05-01-2023, 10:12 AM	#8
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 41 Posts: 19,921	Re: Draft grades The draft is absolutely fantastic until proven otherwise. Fuck everyone's mock drafts and big boards. Those mean nothing. The men on the field is what counts. __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

05-01-2023, 10:30 AM	#9
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Draft grades I didn't have Kam Curl pegged as a major bargain as a 7th rounder coming out of the draft a few years ago. I also didn't realize McLaurin was going to be much more than a standout special teamer. Neither did any of the talking head experts. Just pointing out tangible examples of how these grades are pretty meaningless. Still I think you can focus instead on what the team did to position themselves to fill their needs. I thought they could have done more moving up / down to get in a spot where they could fill an offensive line position with a more promising player. The two guys they got might be fine but these are the rounds where we got Wes Martin so... I think Mayhew and Rivera lack creativity and aggressiveness sometimes (all of the time?). That's a point of frustration for me. As for the players they actually landed, too early to tell but I can see the logic on both Forbes and Quan so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how well it works. In the end, the things I think will make or break this season are whether Chase Young erupts into a star, and does EB get value out of Howell. The draft didn't really change that thinking for me whatsoever, like made no dent in it, so I can't give it more than a B. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

05-01-2023, 01:03 PM	#11
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 41 Posts: 19,921	Re: Draft grades Going to have a new owner this month. And we will either win 10+ games or have an all-new front office/coaching staff in 2024. Times are good in Manderville!! __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

05-01-2023, 01:11 PM	#12
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,177	Re: Draft grades Solid B. We drafted a playmaking CB in Forbes. A hybrid S, slot CB in Martin. Stromberg could start at C. Henry can contribute at DE. Kaz Allen could make the team as our PR/KR. Not drafting a TE is my only negative. Clearly they’re betting on a healthy Thomas, and improvement from Bates, and Turner.

05-01-2023, 01:55 PM	#13
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 41 Posts: 19,921	Re: Draft grades Biggest 2023 NFL draft questions for all 32 teams. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-all-32-teams Did the Commanders improve their offensive line? Washington's front struggled last season, allowing the seventh-most sacks in the NFL (48). The Commanders did add two starters in free agency in center Nick Gates and tackle/guard Andrew Wylie but did not draft a player who would be projected to start in 2023. That means they still have a void at left guard. But one of their past drafts might yield the winner there -- Saahdiq Charles (fourth round, 2020) or Chris Paul (seventh round, 2022). Third-round pick Ricky Stromberg also will have a shot, but his best spot might be center. The Commanders have good talent at running back and receiver and intriguing young tight ends, but need a stronger line to protect inexperienced quarterback Sam Howell. -- John Keim __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

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