Ron Rivera's qualifications for being a evaluator of talent

[REDSKINS4ever]

This isn't a Ron should go subject....

....but rather if he qualifies as a personnel man....

This whole thing with Ron Rivera having power over the front office is the key to the problems we see on the field. Martin Mayhew and Marty Hurney both are substandard personnel executives. This is one area where Rivera's at fault. Only proven and constant winning head coaches should have this power. Very few head coaches are also in charge of personnel.

[Chico23231]

So far this draft class has contributed zero to the team. Last year we wasted a second rounder on a guy who is injured all the time who’s never played.

The fixes at the Oline of Nick Gates and Andy Wylie have been absolute failures.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So far this draft class has contributed zero to the team. Last year we wasted a second rounder on a guy who is injured all the time who’s never played.

The fixes at the Oline of Nick Gates and Andy Wylie have been absolute failures.

Yes, this draft class is terrible and the free agency signings for the offensive line has been a complete fuck up.....all of these seasons ending in 7or 8 wins can be traced back to Ron not knowing what the fuck he is doing.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Is it RR who is ultimately evaluating these guys though? Maybe the final evaluation I suppose, but it's the player personnel department putting these players in front of him. Yes, RR's ultimately responsible for making the decision, but it's not like he's doing the leg work and scouting all these cats, rank ordering them, etc. Basically, it's failures all around. Everybody's gotta go!

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Is it RR who is ultimately evaluating these guys though? Maybe the final evaluation I suppose, but it's the player personnel department putting these players in front of him. Yes, RR's ultimately responsible for making the decision, but it's not like he's doing the leg work and scouting all these cats, rank ordering them, etc. Basically, it's failures all around. Everybody's gotta go!

This. First get a quality GM. He picks a quality HC, who picks a quality coaching staff. Then he picks a quality head of player personnel, who in turn picks a quality scout team. Then he picks all the other support roles like medical, training etc.

It all hinges on a good GM. if we had one we could fire RR any time and probably be fine. We haven't had a good one in donkeys years, and it shows.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

This. First get a quality GM. He picks a quality HC, who picks a quality coaching staff. Then he picks a quality head of player personnel, who in turn picks a quality scout team. Then he picks all the other support roles like medical, training etc.

It all hinges on a good GM. if we had one we could fire RR any time and probably be fine. We haven't had a good one in donkeys years, and it shows.

Precisely......

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Is it RR who is ultimately evaluating these guys though? Maybe the final evaluation I suppose, but it's the player personnel department putting these players in front of him. Yes, RR's ultimately responsible for making the decision, but it's not like he's doing the leg work and scouting all these cats, rank ordering them, etc. Basically, it's failures all around. Everybody's gotta go!

Sure the scouts have something to do with it....but our front office is seeing the same draftees and free agents other NFL front offices are evaluating......Ron is just picking poorly.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Is it RR who is ultimately evaluating these guys though? Maybe the final evaluation I suppose, but it's the player personnel department putting these players in front of him. Yes, RR's ultimately responsible for making the decision, but it's not like he's doing the leg work and scouting all these cats, rank ordering them, etc. Basically, it's failures all around. Everybody's gotta go!

The part I highlighted is all I need to know. The buck stops with RR. If he knows he has incompetents working in player personnel he should have fired and replaced them by now. It's called managing or fixing problems.

Picking Davis over Darrisaw was an abject failure by Ron. A child should have been able to get that one right.

Drafting Forbes over C. Gonzales was even worse. It was a true no-brainer to pick Gonzales.

After 4 years on the job, it's not about RR's qualifications anyway; it's about the results he has accomplished in building a winning football organization. At that, he has failed.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

After 4 years on the job, it's not about RR's qualifications anyway; it's about the results he has accomplished in building a winning football organization. At that, he has failed.

That's the bottom line.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

That's the bottom line.

Didn't know this was Stone Cold's burner account:

[Hoglips]

Not sure why this warrants a separate thread. Ron's value as a talent evaluator is essentially ZILCH, right? isn't that generally-accepted conventional wisdom?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Hoglips

Not sure why this warrants a separate thread. Ron's value as a talent evaluator is essentially ZILCH, right? isn't that generally-accepted conventional wisdom?

Well, I haven't seem anyone else talk about it...but it was something I've been thinking on lately especially during this losing streak......the decisions of Dan Snyder is still hindering this team.

[That Guy]

I think the personnel decisions have been worse than the coaching decisions. His failure to fix the OL or LB group over 3 years is just... not putting us in a position to win.

[EdmundDorf]

If you look at the draft coverage for the last couple of years Mayhew has been trying to draft OL high but is, at least on some occasions, getting overruled by Ron. He wanted to take OG in the 1st round of last years draft, and he wanted to trade up for Avila in the second this year. I wonder whether he wanted to take Darrisaw when we drafted Jamin Davis.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

If you look at the draft coverage for the last couple of years Mayhew has been trying to draft OL high but is, at least on some occasions, getting overruled by Ron. He wanted to take OG in the 1st round of last years draft, and he wanted to trade up for Avila in the second this year. I wonder whether he wanted to take Darrisaw when we drafted Jamin Davis.

Ron doesn't know what he's doing.....