Ukraine mega thread

Chico23231 · 03-01-2014, 12:49 PM

That escalated quickly. Putin couldn't wait for the Olympics to be over and what does it exactly mean there is going to be costs from our President? Eastern Europe loves them some war.

Buffalo Bob · 03-01-2014, 12:57 PM

For those of us who haven't been following could someone explain the situation in a few sentences?

NC_Skins · 03-02-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

For those of us who haven't been following could someone explain the situation in a few sentences?

Why haven't you?

I've been meaning to start this thread a bit ago when the protesting started to turn for the worst, but I had my doubts anybody would care. I am now vindicated with the above....lol

NC_Skins · 03-02-2014, 01:42 PM

Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine | Reuters

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"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text," Kerry told the CBS program "Face the Nation."

How could that douche bag even say that with a straight face?

Monkeydad · 03-03-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine | Reuters

How could that douche bag even say that with a straight face?

Kerry...anyone going to trust him now?

Kerry blasts Romney as inept and extreme on foreign policy - CBS News

Flashback: Candidate Mitt Romney ridiculed for ‘Cold War thinking’ | Twitchy

The whole world sees this President and sadly the United States as WEAK now, so the dictators and terrorists of the world are taking chances and making moves they would not normally make with a typical, strong United States President, foreign policy and military.

Putin is trying to re-assemble the USSR and this President is not going to stop him, or even care.

Obama Skips National Security Team Meeting on Russia, Ukraine | The Weekly Standard

Nothing new...

Marc Thiessen: Obama alone: This president does not need intel briefers - The Washington Post

A bogus defense of Obama’s intelligence briefing record - The Washington Post

NC_Skins · 03-03-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeydad

The whole world sees this President and sadly the United States as WEAK now, so the dictators and terrorists of the world are taking chances and making moves they would not normally make with a typical, strong United States President, foreign policy and military.

Putin is trying to re-assemble the USSR and this President is not going to stop him, or even care.

Exactly what dictators/terrorists are making moves that wouldn't be made with any other President? You mean like Gaddafi? Oh wait...he's dead.

Sounds like something stupid that Glenn Beck would say. Do you actually believe this dribble? Seriously? The only people that see the US as weak are moronic Tea Tards/Republidiots that continue their constant hatred over the black man. What's sad is I think Obama is a terrible President, but I simply can't get down with some of the garbage slung by Tea Tards.

CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 01:11 PM

Crimea is a region in Ukraine that hosts the Russian fleet and has a large Russian speaking and Russian leaning population. It also is a large economic engine for Ukraine as a whole. Ukraine replaced a Russian leaning prime minister and there is a serious secession movement and possible civil war. Russia today approved sending troops into Crimea and Pres Obama said there will be "costs" if Russia did.

Another background is that Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear defense only when the US and Europe agreed to ensure their sovereignty.

CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 01:17 PM

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CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 02:22 PM

And Ukraine has called for a general troop mobilization. The question in my mind is will the US put a naval vessel in the area as a sign of support, or are we going to cede eastern Europe's fate back to Russia. One may push to some level of military response, the other leads down a path of appeasement.

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RedskinRat · 03-01-2014, 02:40 PM

What CRedskinsRule said.

Expect appeasement.

Chico23231 · 03-01-2014, 02:47 PM

Putin has punked Obama at every turn since he has been back.

CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 08:17 PM

If you don't pull your troops out we won't send minions to a low level G8 talk.

That will scare Putin!

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Chico23231 · 03-01-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If you don't pull your troops out we won't send minions to a low level G8 talk.

That will scare Putin!

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Weak stuff.

Putin move was probably the boldest military action since the Afghanistan invasion for Russia. They are simply not gonna turn around now

HailGreen28 · 03-01-2014, 08:24 PM

So what's driving this conflict? Ethnic Ukraine vs. Russian? Natural gas? The strategic importance of the Crimea?

HailGreen28 · 03-01-2014, 09:03 PM

Lithuania invokes Nato treaty on Ukraine

Today @ 17:16

By EUOBSERVER

Lithuania's FM Linkevicius has said Russia's decision to deploy forces in Ukraine means "Nato, art. 4 becomes valid," referring to article 4 of the Nato treaty. The article says Nato members must meet for consultations if "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."

03-01-2014, 12:49 PM	#1
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,286	Ukraine mega thread That escalated quickly. Putin couldn't wait for the Olympics to be over and what does it exactly mean there is going to be costs from our President? Eastern Europe loves them some war. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

03-01-2014, 12:57 PM	#2
Buffalo Bob The Starter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Beaverdam Virginia Age: 63 Posts: 2,137	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. For those of us who haven't been following could someone explain the situation in a few sentences?

03-01-2014, 02:40 PM	#10
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. What CRedskinsRule said. Expect appeasement.

03-01-2014, 02:47 PM	#11
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,286	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. Putin has punked Obama at every turn since he has been back. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

03-01-2014, 08:24 PM	#14
HailGreen28 Playmaker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,754	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. So what's driving this conflict? Ethnic Ukraine vs. Russian? Natural gas? The strategic importance of the Crimea?

03-01-2014, 01:11 PM	#7
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,331	Crimea is a region in Ukraine that hosts the Russian fleet and has a large Russian speaking and Russian leaning population. It also is a large economic engine for Ukraine as a whole. Ukraine replaced a Russian leaning prime minister and there is a serious secession movement and possible civil war. Russia today approved sending troops into Crimea and Pres Obama said there will be "costs" if Russia did. Another background is that Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear defense only when the US and Europe agreed to ensure their sovereignty.

03-01-2014, 01:17 PM	#8
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,331	Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

03-01-2014, 02:22 PM	#9
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,331	And Ukraine has called for a general troop mobilization. The question in my mind is will the US put a naval vessel in the area as a sign of support, or are we going to cede eastern Europe's fate back to Russia. One may push to some level of military response, the other leads down a path of appeasement. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

03-01-2014, 08:17 PM	#12
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,331	If you don't pull your troops out we won't send minions to a low level G8 talk. That will scare Putin! Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

03-01-2014, 09:03 PM	#15
HailGreen28 Playmaker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,754	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. Lithuania invokes Nato treaty on Ukraine Today @ 17:16 By EUOBSERVER Lithuania's FM Linkevicius has said Russia's decision to deploy forces in Ukraine means "Nato, art. 4 becomes valid," referring to article 4 of the Nato treaty. The article says Nato members must meet for consultations if "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."

Ukraine mega thread

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